Who’s to Blame for Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill Benefit Delays?

By Terry Howell

Last week’s Blog covered news reports warning that a huge backlog of GI Bill “work items,” which includes applications and payment claims, is causing a delay in Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill benefits of up to 10 weeks. This week the backlog grew nearly 11 percent to over 234,000. To their credit, the VA has processed over 140,000 “work items” overall. In addition, it appears that at least 13,000 veterans will soon begin receiving benefits, if they have not already.

Note: It takes approximately 1.5 hours for VA to process each Chapter 33 Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill application.

In a recent Chronicle of Higher Education article, Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill Applicants Wait for Colleges to Certify Enrollment, Department of Veterans Affairs Director of Education Services, Keith Wilson, responded to the question about delays by suggesting  that school certifying officials were to blame, saying that to date the VA had received only 13,000 certifications from the schools. “We have no control over when a school official will submit that enrollment certificate to us,” added Mr. Wilson.

Needless to say this has triggered an angry response from veteran’s program administrators and school certifying officials nationwide, denying that they are the bottleneck in the process.

Many of the certifying officials interviewed, said they were shocked to read the article and felt they were being stabbed in the back. A school certifying official, who wished to remain unnamed, said “the quote that stressed me is the one where he said they had no control over when a school sent an enrollment in. We have it in writing that we were to hold certifications until July 7, 2009.”

Another certifying official pointed out that there is no logical reason for a school to purposely delay the process, “not only is it bad for the student; it is bad for the school.” He also questioned the legitimacy of Mr. Wilson’s claim of receiving only 13,000 certifications.

Teri Gravenmier, veterans program administrator for the University of Alaska Anchorage, addressed Mr. Wilson’s assertion by explaining that in addition to other duties – including providing counseling and support for veteran students – “school certifying officials must verify not only that the student is qualified and how many credits they are registered for, but also that the coursework applies to their degree plan.” By comparison, “VA processors have one task to perform — process Chapter 33 [Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill] applications,” Gravenmier points out.

Since early August, school certifying officials have been reporting serious payment errors made by the VA, including underpayments made because the VA failed to update their own database when the rates increased in August, duplicate tuition and fees payments, payments sent to the wrong schools, and payments made without supporting data including the student names. School officials have been told by the VA that they would not make any corrections to the payment issues until “Phase 3,” slated begin sometime in October.

Many of these errors and delays are easily attributed to a newly hired, inexperienced VA workforce, an understandable learning curve, lack of technical support systems, complicated requirements, and a huge flood of claims. But, many find it unfair for the VA to blame the schools for delays while they continue to have issues that still need to be addressed at the VA level.

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Please consider sending a similar letter to your representatives.
God Bless All Veterans!
I am writing you on a subject that is very dear to my heart one because it not only affects me directly but because it affects thousands if not hundreds of thousands of veterans that served honorably in the many months since 9/​11. The many promises to help veterans with education expenses still allow for many more to fall through the cracks.
The Montgomery GI Bill (chapter 30) is what I enrolled in. It is still available to anyone who pays into it, of which I paid the $1,200 enrollment fees and the $600 kicker for a total of $1,800 of which I still think was a good investment. I still have over 30 months of unused benefits, I would be ever grateful to be able to transfer them to my children.
The new Post 9/​11 GI Bill (chapter 33) is now an option for active duty service members. I can enroll in the new Post 9/​11 GI bill but I cannot transfer my benefits to my children, because I separated prior to 1 August 2009. I as many thousands of my fellow veterans that cannot afford to send our child to higher education saw this as a glimmer of hope. Only to see that glimmer snuffed out by a decision that has cut deep into our souls. Many thousands of honorably veterans as well as I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to transfer these benefits that we paid for to our children to give them an opportunity that we never had.
I as well as thousands of other veterans served all the requirements but the one that states we must be on active duty on or after 1 August 2009 in order to share these benefits with our children or spouse. This GI Bill is called “Post 9/​11” not “Post 8/​1/​2009”, this is what it amounts too.
I retired 1 November, 2007 after 23 years and 4 months honorable active duty This was six years beyond the 9/​11 act of terror. After 9/​11 I was deployed and served in the Gulf Theatre from February 2002 to June of 2002 in support Enduring Freedom.
Today all someone has to do to be eligible to transfer these benefits is to server honorably for 4 years. They do not have to deploy, they do not have to serve more than one tour of duty, or pay into the program.
What I am asking is to grandfather the veterans that served the required time in service after 9/​11 be allow the transfer the benefits to their children. This would not cost the government a penny more than if the veteran had used the benefit themselves. This act would give thousands of veterans a piece of mind that their children have the same opportunities of all veterans.
Very Respectfully,
Patrick

Patrick — One correction, to transfer benefits a member has to be in a minimum of 6 years and reenlist for 4 more.

Just as I predicted, They’re blaming the hold-​​up in students’ pay on the schools…
WELL YAaaaaaa!
When you write a bill and then tell colleges that “If a student never attends any portion of the certified enrollment period, schools should return money back to the VA”. And, “Schools should not send VA estimates, or tuition and fee figures that will knowingly require later adjustment”, then yes schools are going to wait to submit an enrollment certification.
At my school , a community college, I would estimate that 75% of the students will end up changing their enrollment status at least once if not many times between now and the beginning of the next quarter – which is a month away.
How would the VA like all of us to submit certifications and then end up submitting 1,2, or more “adjustments”? Mr. Wilson thinks the VA is OK so far and has things under control.
That’s fine. I’ll take some of that blame since I have told every CH33 that our school will not be certifying them until the first day of the quarter – once we have “confirmed their attendance” and once we know they are not going to be changing their schedule again. In the meantime, if the student has their COE, I will place them on a tuition hold until their payments are received.
For the past few years I have been doing tuition holds for students and every quarter, we have veterans drop out because they have not received a payment from the VA (even after 5–6 weeks after the quarter starts) or they receive their payments but end up spending it on things other than their tuition. If the student drops one or all classes while they are on a tuition hold, the school is out that money, and a seat in a course has just been vacated that cannot be filled. I foresee a much greater rate of drop-​​outs with the new CH 33—which I have also previously predicted.
Once the VA makes it through the first quarter/​semester or two, and is inundated with the volume of phone calls and complaints about overpayments, I will predict they (the VA-​​Mr. Wilson) may not be so readily available to blame the schools for all of the Veterans’ problems.

I don’t think the VA personal at the colleges are trained to answer all or any questions on the new GI 9/​11 bill. All they told students was go online and read it. I can’t inform you in anything about the New GI 9/​11 Bill… Yea thanks for the help… NOT!!! Plus they say that it will be up to 8 to 10 weeks to process, but that was way before school started and I am still waiting for my letter.. So when are they going to get it together when the semesters over? Hum-​​mm????

Hello~
I am a recipient of the GI Bill and I agree that the schools are the bottleneck.
The VA was a bottleneck to a point with my application, but a vindictive and lazy (and never-​​present) certifying official at a state university held up my application from going to the VA a FULL MONTH after she had everything she needed.
Shameless.

I completely agree that the school’s VA officials are partially to blame with the back log. My wife attends a fairly large public college in South Florida that does not have a clue when it comes to programs for veterans. We attend a post 9/​11 GI Bill fair at the colelge, with a state senator and all the major players at the school, including the VA certfying official. This is when they announced that Veterans could transfer there benefits to children subsequent of marriage. We filled out the VONAPP and received our VA cert and brought it to the college. A week or so later the college’s VA certfying official gave us a call asking if my wife was a veteran. He had no clue you could transfer benefits to dependents. At the least to say how angry I was that he delayed our application further after I knew how long it was taking alone for the VA to process applications they have received. What angers me more is the VA official was at the GI Bill conference with us and I talked directly to him. But then again, this is the same college who does not have a clue about Florida State Statue’s residency requirements concerning military stationed in Florida, not to mention, I had lived in Florida my whole life with the exception on transferring out on military orders, but never change my state residency. So after having a LES and other forms proving I was a Florida Resident, they wanted a a DD-​​214 to be sure. So I google​.com DD-​​214, printed it out, signed and gave it to them. Keep in mind this form does not even need to be certified by a notary. What a joke.…

Once Post 9/​11 GI Bill election has been chosen, the individual must apply to the VA for a Certificate of Entitlement. Before you can enroll at a college you must have a COE in hand. The certifying officials at the schools can not advise the individuals either way GI Bill(Chapter 30) or Post 9/​11 GI Bill (Chapter 33)

I’m still waiting for the VA to approve my Post 9/​11 GI Bill certification! I did received confirmation that the VA received my application, but come on.…It’s been 3 months!

I gave a copy of my certificate to the school va official, he typed some stuff in the computer, and said I dont owe anything for my classes… Im going to school now, but how were my classes paid for if they the va is backed up?
Im going fulltime so I should be recieving BAH sometime in september.
how do I know that my enrollment has been certified through the VA?

Comment Part I:
I severed 2 year in the National Guard and 2 years in the Army Reserves prior to serving 21 years in the Active Army. I retired from Active Duty 11 months ago. I used 13 months and 26 days of the Montgomery GI Bill — Selected Reserve (MGIB-​​SR) while in the Amy Reserves. During my 21 years in the Active Army, I paid the $1200 for the MGIB CH30 and paid the $600 for the additional benefits under the MGIB CH30. During my entire 21 years on Active Duty, I never used any of my benefits under the MGIB CH30. I wanted to save my full benefits until I retired. I wanted to wait to see if VA would approve transferring my benefits to my kids. But after serving 20+ years, I cannot transfer my benefits because I’m not still on Active Duty. I believe that is unfair. Anyone who has served over 20 years should be allowed to transfer their benefits to their kids’ weather they are still on Active Duty or Retired. Since I cannot transfer my benefits I want to use them myself.
I sent my application to transfer my MGIB CH30 to the Post-​​911 GI Bill CH-​​33 to VA in April. I received my Certificate of Eligibility quickly within 30 days. However, it was incorrect. The letter stated that since I used 13 months 26 days of the MGIB-​​SR, that I cannot use more than 48 months of education benefits under two or more VA programs. Therefore, it stated I have only 22 months and 5 days of full benefits remaining under the MGIB CH33. Instead of subtracting the 13 months 26 days of MGIB-​​SR from the 48 months total, they subtracted it from the 36 months of the MGIB CH33. So, I’m being penalized for time served and benefits received prior to my Active Duty time. I believe this us totally unfair and uncalled for.
I immediately called VA after receiving the letter. I was instructed that their computer system shows my correct benefits which is 34 months 4 days of remaining benefits and that I would have to send VA a Notice of Disagreement to correct the Certificate of Eligibility. Who knows how long this will take.

Comment Part II:
This is simple math an operator error. If it takes 1.5 hours to complete an application, then the VA representative should increase that time to 1.6 hours to complete the application correctly. If you’re going to do a job, do it right the first time. Now because of this error, they caused much more wasted time spent to correct this error. This has caused wasted time on their part, my part and the schools part. Who is their Quality Assurance person to review and approve the Certificate of Eligibility letters for accuracy prior to them being mailed out?
I am ready to start school but cannot until VA corrects their error. I have to know that I have at least 34 months of benefits available prior to starting my program of study. I just cannot afford to support my family while going to school unless my GI Bill is correct. My program of study is 40 months long and although receiving only 34 months would be a strain for the family, I cannot pursue this program if I’m only going to receive 22 months. Then I read that some people who did use some of their MGIB CH 30 benefits during Active Duty can still get full 36 months of benefits or more under the MGIB CH33. Yet someone like me who did not use any of their benefits under MGIB CH30 will not get full 36 months under the MGIB CH33 because of being penalized for time served in a different branch of service over 25 years ago. This just is not right.
This is a prime example of all the years in the military that you’re told you will received certain benefits and when you try to apply for them, they tell you the fine print will not allow you to receive them. This is just another example of broken promises given to the soldier or making the process so difficult that the soldier gives up and doesn’t use the benefits they’ve earned and should receive.

I spoke with the VA on Friday the 28th, and this is what they told me. It took 6–8 weeks to process my conversion from old 30 to new 33. So I ask since they hadn’t gotten me completely certified did they know if my monthly amount of money I get would change to the E5 w/​ BAH, or would it stay the same… They tell me that it may take an additional 6–8 weeks for them to get the cert my school sent in on the 21st processed. WHAT! So, then I ask again just for clarity on the situation and to make sure I didn’t just step into the twilight zone. The rep then assure’s me that it is entirely possible that the money I recieved as of 3 Aug may be the last monetary allowance for 6–8 weeks. Now I’m pissed, not at the rep because they don’t write the policy, but I’m mad at whomever thought that a possible two month pause in my benifits might seem like a good idea. Has anyone else encountered this. Let me know because I called back and talked to another rep and they told me the same thing.

I also didn’t mention earlier that I rely solely on that money. I haven’t had a job since I started school. They said that they would back pay me. A lot of good that’ll do if I die of starvation first.

UPDATE:
I called the VA and asked about my certificate what was going on with it and when will I get the money for books and BAH. Well I had to go through 2 people and then a supervisor before they said “oh we got what they need to proceed with my file, someone did not see that it need to be pushed forward to get my certificate.” Oh good I had to get on 3 peoples case to even try to get my certificate. Oh yeah!!! Did I tell you that was last week I am still waiting on it.. Yea, the VA is sure on top of things… NOT!!!!

Today 8/​31/​2009 the VA education services are now at 255,000 file behind in processing … schools are processing and submitting but the VA is way behind in paying. From what I hear, school submit electronically, but once its received by VA they have to process each one manually and can take up to 1.5 hours per veteran!! My school officail showed me how they process and when they submitted the forms … once VA receives it it goes into the big backlog at the VA. I guess the common answer VA gives us veterans is the school did not submit, I dont think so with a 255K backlog … sounds more and more like school have been submitting and VA is blaming the schools.

I have been using the G.I. Bill for the last two years and let me tell you, it is nothingbut a big hassel sometimes. No one knows what they are doing there and when you question them, they get rude. SOmeway to treat your veterans.

Partrick,
You said it well. I retired on August 1, 2009 and it the same boat as you.
I say used the benefits if they won’t change it because it will cost them more.

My school is saying the POST 911 GI BILL does not cover Lab fees or Internet fees. Is this true?
I have a $97.00 balance and I get full benefits and the cost is under the highest in-​​state fees and tuition costs.

I have encountered both VA being the problem and the Colleges VA Officials.
One instance I asked for a verification of enrollment to be sent 4 times over the space of two months and I double check one more time and OOOPS! They never sent it.
On the other hand because I am a person that likes to double and triple check. I called VA and made sure there was not anything else I needed to do on their end. Their response “OH NO! We’re just waiting on the schools certification of enrollment.” Found out later that they had not received my 22–1995 (Change of Program/​School) Not sure the exact form. They had not recieved it becuase the school I changed to fell under a different Region for VA and so I had to resubmit.
YESSS.
My personal opinion. They need more people working in both VA and college offices and until they get this whole thing down there will be countless problems. I just hope that people have money saved up. I have been waiting on my Active G.I. Bill for over 4 months now and have had to pay out of pocket. Once the money gets rolling its not bad. Until then. GET READY for a HUGE HEADACHE!

My husband had to wait until Aug. 1 to submit application for certification letter because for the new gi bill could not be applied for until then. We received confermation that application was received but when we called they aid they had no record of an application they said it may have gotten hung up in the system and it would take a week to get my son and myself in the system after telling me my husband was not eveen in the system. My son started school in august we had to pay out of pocket so he could start this semester. He got into a private college so grants and sudent loans were not enough. We are in a finacial bind because my husband has been on terminal leave for over 2 1/​2 months, no job yet, retirement starts oct. and disability want be determined until he goes into retirement for the state of GA (another application added to the pot). The goverment royaly screws you even after you serving for 21 1/​2 years. Go Goverment!!!

My school waited almost a month to send in my certification of enrollment and that is highly unacceptable!!! I gave up shore duty, quit my job to move to attend the school I wanted to go to and now I’m in a a horrific postion because of the long going process. The VA needs to inform Veterans of the long undependable process so Vets can consider thier options better before discharging from active duty!!!! Hopefully I will get paid this month, It’s been nearly six months since I started my claim and not a penny yet.

The VA new this was coming.Management should have prepared for this. The Obama administration is helping the Auto business who refused to change with the tide many years ago instead of the Veterans who has earned this small payment for the sacrifices that they make. This is pitifull. As long as the school can wait for payment then this can be tolerable.

This is a complex issue, not singularly the VA’s fault or the schools fault.
Even though nearly every VA Certifying Official received basic training relative to the program,the program itself has intrinsic administrative complexities.
VBA VA Education services entered a whole new world with this Post 9/​11 GI Bill. Even though they had expertise to “certify” other education benefit programs,Chapter 33 is a whole new animal.
VA Education Services had no prior expertise in having to deal with tuition payments to school business offices, bookstore stipends to vendor bookstores at colleges and universities or actual university run bookstores. Previous education programs like the Montgomery GI Bill were relatively easy to administer; simply approve the electronic certification received from the school and authorize payment. But the VA and the public, private, and proprietary schools were totally unprepared for the enormous response to this new Chapter 33. School certifying officials have been simply overwhelmed. Neither the VA or the schools applied the rule of common sense in projecting particpation with Chapter 33. The benefits of Chapter 33 are almost “too good to be true”. The economy is rough. Who wouldn’t be attracted to up to 1500.00 subsistence a month? And, yes, delays can occur due to veteran students changing their enrollment status many times prior to the add/​drop deadline. School Certifying Officials are required to submit a change to the VA every single time there is an enrollment change. That in itself is a certification nightmare for both the schools and the VA. And if it isn’t done correctly, the veteran can end up under paid or overpaid, which in a crazy way the veteran created the problem unintentionally. Classes get cancelled or changed or veterans simply make personal academic choices. But the bottom line is quite simply the unbelievable number of veterans who have chosen the Post 9/​11 GI Bill. And both the schools and the VA never projected this turning into the monster it has become.

Certification letter i never got one at all. I called the VA and some lady said it would get to me in 5 to 7 days but i never came so I’m hope thing’s turn out better sometime soon or i might not be even to go to school no more

The school certifying officials should take some responsibility. My daughter has attended five different community colleges and two universities using GI Bill benefits. Services and attitudes vary widely among certifying officials and we have met several who have other duties that seem to preclude timely service to Veterans. Some were just plain incompetent. Some went so far above and beyond we wondered how they did so much work.

This situation is so sad and bad for some veterans, I depended on this to make it through school. Since I had to front all of the money for everything, I am now homeless. Even though I’m hanging in with my school work, If this money does come through soon. I will be forced to drop classes, which in turn will put me in a deeper hole. I never expected for things to turn out this way. :0(

Well it’s just as bad for those of us whom are already in the system. So how can she say it’s a back log on schools!? Case in point; My spouse is has been in rolled in an apprenticeship program, and his payments did not roll in on time these past three months as they had been before. When we called and questioned them about it they said that it will now not take just 12 days once they have our paperwork, but 45 days no matter what! No notice of change, no nothing, and we depend on that supplemental pay for bills. Then said it was because of the new GI Bill.
We then asked them how it was going to affect my payments under the old G.I. bill, and they said that process was going to take longer, and not to expect the payments to come on time. Excuse me?!
My husband and I are both ALREADY in the system and are still having struggling issues, both with the apprenticeship side and the Montgomery side, so to say it’s the school is just ridicules.
I don’t believe it’s completely on the shoulders of the school. The VA needs to step and say, “We don’t have the workers needed to get this done right and in a timely matter owed to our vets, we need help.” Even if they hire temps to do it. There are people out there screaming for work, let them have it and do it.

I believe that both the VA and the certifying school officials are to blame. Neither wants to take responsibility so they continue to shift blame upon each other. I am a veteran under the Chapter 30 MGIB program and I have had nothing but a major headache. I attended a college in April of this year, after attending for only one month, I discovered that my credits would not transfer so I withdrew from the college. On May 29th I enrolled in another university, classes started on June 8th. I informed VA of the switch. I was told to let my first school know that they needed to send a certificate showing the dates disenrolled to the VA. To make a long story short, it took the certifying official from May 29th until July 17th to send that form. The official was very lazy and unprofessional and continued to rush me off of the telephone so that I would not discover that she had no knowledge what she was doing. (I hope no one is at this particular university-​​word to the wise-​​do not attend Penn Foster College.) As of this date, VA is still working on my case. I call every week and even check the WAVE website to see what has been done. The problem is that I have went through the entire summer session and getting ready to start on the fall semester and have only seen $240 which was for the first university. I was really dependent upon that money, I have been unemployed since April and have no means of income. I am in jeopardy of not being able to finish my studies if this problem is left unresolved. I hope that everything is fixed before 8 Sep. The part that astonished me is that both the VA and Certifying officials knew that there would be an increase of applicants especially with the current econmic state, to not be prepared shows a lack of responsibility and professionalism.

WHile I do not mind the “quickness” of what they have processed thus far, doesn’t anyone else find it amazing how they can process education and other clamis so fast and the disability claims and appeals take years? I think it is because the disability money only goes to a vet and not an institution that needs money to operate and is big enough to complain!

Looks like the bureaucrats are learning their lessons well. The current administration thrives on confusion and conflict, so the bureaucrats in the VA and the schools are using it to their advantage, playing the blame game while the Vets are the ones left out in the cold.

Put in for my Chapter 33 certification letter back in April. When I put it in I noted the school I was already attending. Got the certification back in May. When the VA started accepting enrollment certifications from schools I informed my school to send it in. Everything is working fine. My school has not been paid yet but they are ok with it because they know it is coming.

I applied back on May 5 and still have yet to receive anything. I have called numerous times and they say the same thing,“we are working overtime and are still behind. Call back in 10 days.” I have called every 10 days and still nothing. I am on the verge of getting my vehicle repossessed and getting evicted because I depend on this money and had to front the money for school out of my pocket.

My husband is in school full time taking 5 classes this semester which he registered in April. In late July the school wanted 1500.00 to hold his classes for him other wise they where going to drop him from his classes. We had no choice but to pay it up front (lucky we had an open credit card to put it on) then ten days later, they charged our card another 900. When he calls he finds out that the school already has already received the money from the VA with his name on it but they said they cant apply it to his student account until he gets his certification letter. So the school has been over paid for him by 2400.00 and the school is is expecting another payment of 900 in October…we are lucky to have that open card…but what about all the other veterans who are trying to get their lifes back on track and now has been delayed because they dont have the money to pay up front. This is a shame. The schools should be more flexable especially when they know they already have the VA payment in their hands…its just waiting on a letter to apply to the students account. And now that he “finally” received the letter the school said they will take 2 weeks to refund our money…when it only took them one day to charge it…how ridiculous is that????

Wow! I read a lot of comments and it sounds like it would have been best to stay in the military and use the TA to pay for college until this new GI Bill calms down after about 10 years. lol

Same boat. Living with the parents and waiting to get paid. They needed my DD214 first to prove I was out. School’s paid though.
I am also a disable veteran living off of peanut butter in jelly because I decided I can not rely on the POST 911 money to come. I will be happy when it comes though.

Oh my God, i don’t have a job.… i’m going to be on the street.…

Unemployed and looked for employment until school started. Paid my tuition and books, but waiting for first payment (retroactive 1 Aug). $$$ running out. Oh, did I mention that my husband is also unemployed? We’re just trying to keep our heads above water. We are not included in the reported number of unemployed because we were self employed — also not eligible for benefits.

I had to drop classes because I could not afford all the books and materials on top of all my bills. Its been 7 weeks and still nothing?? The funny thing to me is the government thinks they can run health care when they cant even manage these programs efficiently. Everyone wants to point fingers at each other and blame the “who ever” when they should just take resonsibility for there short comings and work over time to get this right. I’m sure theres a few retired Master Chiefs or SGT. Majors out there that could help that philosophy along?

Well, my school account still says I owe 5 grand or something.… so obviously the VA has not paid the school. They definitely have not paid me. I had to eat all the book costs etc in hopes of a speedy reimbursement. Doesn’t look likely. So I sit here in debt, and watching it grow.… And I guess the VA is prorating the BAH, so if your school starts in the middle of the month, you get half of the benifit. Seems like an easy way to skim from the benifit, seeing as it is not your choice to start school on the 17th versus the 1st of the month. Rent doesn’t wait on the VA to pay, and especially with the economy like it is, I am relieved to see I am not the only one who feels a little shorted by the process.

Yes, I am getting screwed over too.
The VA Representative at Miami Dade Kendall Campus sucks!! I paid for this semester out of pocket…I am also unemployed:(

I have not received payment like the majority of the people here.I started my the application in June and the certifying official took forever to send my enrollment certification! The thing that I’m most concerned with is my school dropping me because of how long it will take them to get their money from the VA. I’m in the Florida Keys and this and this the only brick and mortar school here.

The VA in Tennessee tried to discourage me from filing for my benifets by having me locked up for extortion. That has not discouraged me though. You file and file and file again and still get the same stupid responses and then they have you locked up. This cost me 1,000.00 in bail money that I didn’t have to spare and another 1,500 for an attorney. This was done at the civil level, not teh federal level. Now I have to go back to court in December. Now how do you extort from the government. What’s bad about all of this is I cannot take action to get my money back. The government is immune from prosecution so I am out 2,500 for BS charges. Again, how do you extort from the government? No one is safe from them doing this to them.

I finished submitting everything on July 22 and still have received NOTHING. I got laid off my job but was told that we would get benefits at the end of August, so I got a subsidized loan from the school to help me out until the end of August. My school has taken all of that loan money and is holding it hostage until they get paid. So I have no job, no VA money, and a loan taken out that I didn’t even get.

I sympathize with others in this delayed process. However, no new program isn’t without it hickups. Keep at it VA…
Thanks

My daughter go’s to Southern U and A&M College. She is a senior this year. This is what i don’t understand and maybe because i didn’t attend college. I am a 22 yr veteran and have served my Country honorably! The college stressed my baby and i out about money that they know that they’ll definately receive in the near future. They asked us to give them something that they should have known that we couldn’t provide. A paper stating that she would definately be getting her benefits. Well, that is what the process is for. We know the VA doesn’t have time to do that with the already overwelmed system. The entire college community in this country knows all about the 9/​11 GI benefits program.
They also have a VA representative at the college. The rep. couldn’t offer no resolve for us with the college. How is this possible? The VA rep. should have been working hand in hand with the college to ensure that our future leaders would be taken care of in this situation. I don’t solely blame the rep. but i do blame the colleges/​universities! There should have been some type of plan of admittence or extension for these students? I guess now we have to take the fight to the home front? I guess that’s our society, hunh?
It isn’t the veterans fault that this process is going to take some time but i know that WE Soldiers are good for it!
From the mouth of babes and i quote,“The college needs to know that they are going to get THEIR MONEY?” This is what i got over the phone coming from a frantic senior of this school. That made me lose my COOL. I was so upset that i had to hang up and call her back after i regained my composer as Soldiers usually do.
My child is a Senior and a Sorority member of Zeta Phi Beta. She is one of the colleges strongest supporters! I don’t see that support being given in return. In my World you should get what you give. She didn’t get it this year? Is this how it’s done in college? Then, i’m glad i passed it up.
I had to take out a loan for her last year of college even though i have 48 months of paid benefits for my child. WHERE IS OUR LOYALTY TO THE STUDENTS OF THESE COLLEGES? All you ever hear from your child about the college or university their attending is that it’s an honor to be attending their school and how great it is. These students definately have loyalty to the school and sometimes moreso than they show to the ones (PARENTS)who are paying for it. Stop setting a bad example to these kids by making them just another number or dollar!
WE CAN DO BETTER. Just like the President said, “YES WE CAN!“
sincerely,
a concerned parent

If you guys think this is bad, wait until we get the government mandated health care from Lord Obama. The VA can’t make simple payments for education benefits that they had 13 months to prepare for, what makes you think Lord Obama can provide our health care? Stop trusting the corrupt, lying federal government.

Also, the VA had 13 months to prepare for this program. They were swearing to Congress that they would be ready to go AUG 1, 2009 (LIE). Nothing will ever change until the VA is held accountable for its failures. But, just like any other government institution, they are God and answer to no one.

The University of Arizona has a GREAT program. The deferred all my daughters tuition payment, fees and even gave her a voucher to get her books ahead of the “pending” VA payments.…
I feel for all of you..Thank goodness we chose the right institute of higher learning who accepted some of the risk in this new program…

Part of the problem though, really does lie with the people who waited till the last minute to apply. I remember going in to turn in my class list for certification, and waiting two hours because the vast majority of people in front of me wanted to ask questions, whose answers were readily accessible on military​.com. Then they came in to file their applications towards the middle of August, overloading the system. No, I haven’t been paid, and the VA officials at the school admit my application hasn’t been sent in due to the backlog [though should be in before the end of the week]. The VA hired in excess, a thousand people a month ago, but I don’t think they were prepared for the onslaught of applications that came in due to all the people who waited till the last minute.

Anyone know if the VA is going to provide backpay of the BAH payments due to the delay?

I applied for the new GI Bill in June. I am married with three children. I do not depend on the GI Bill to support myself or my family. You all who quit your jobs were not thinking on a mature level. If you served in the military, you should already know things do not always go as planned. My school is working with me, because under the old GI Bill they were paid monthly and on time.

I completed the application through VONAPP (the VA website) on June 30th. It wasn’t until yesterday that they confirmed having my application; until that point, every time I called (including last week), they claimed to not even have the application, despite me having a confirmation number through VONAPP that it was submitted.
I certainly hope it isn’t going to be another two months until I start receiving benefits. I submitted the application for Chapter 33 what I thought was pretty early, so if the VA is just getting to processing mine, I feel bad for people who waited until August to submit theirs.

First off I would like to say if you are depending on the BAH to live on you need to grow up. BAH around the nation averages at just over $1000. That doesn’t pay for rent, food, clothing, and anything else you need. The money is given to assist you in your housing situation…not fund your life.
Second for anyone who has submitted an application on vonapp in the May-​​early June time frame and have not received anything back from the VA, you more than likely did not submit a completed application. All the apps from that time period have been processed if they were complete.
Third, for all of you that are paying out of pocket for school because they demanded money up front, I would think about that. All of the colleges (Penn State, Bloomsburg Uni, UPenn, Temple, Drexel, FSU, UF you know real regionally accredited schools) that I have talked to in the past few weeks had no problem fronting the money until the VA paid them, want to know why, the government will pay them (All they asked for is proof…your certification of benefits).
–Side note–Attitude does affect what the vet affairs rep will do for you, so in other words quit yelling and demanding and ask nicely.
And finally I’m in the same situation most of you are in except I’m not b*tching and complaining that the government is screwing me because I dont have my money. I started school yesterday, I paid for books out of my pocket (the school offered to give me an emergency loan to cover them), my tuition and fees are still unpaid but the school is patiently waiting for the government to pay. And while I am unemployed and would love to have the BAH and book money I realized like a few people have already said that this is a brand new program there are going to be problems, hick-​​ups and the like…you all were or are part of the military family YOU KNOW BETTER than to think that this would go off without a hitch.
If you can’t handle not being paid for school GET A JOB and worry about school when you can handle the complex situations of adult life.
Go Huskies!!

Most of these people on here complaining deserve whatever hardship they’re having, It was pretty clear that the Post 911 Gi benefits would not be available unitl 1 AUG 09, So I don’t know what they were reading, or like so many soldiers, they expected somebody to read it for them,or tell them what to do, like so many that have already defrauded the GOVT on their way out of the service, THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE, So stop your whinning and MAN UP, Take responsibility for yourself and quit blaming other people. The V.A is doing their very best and I don’t expect a handout, and will just be glad when they get caught up. If I am eligible for the benefits then I know that eventualy I will get whats coming to me,

First of all, if you know anything about colleges, you have people working for not much money and an overload of work. So they do what they can do and to heck with what they can’t. There only concern is that the schools get their money. So you had better apply early and Check with school again to confirm all information was sent to the VA.
2nd, When you submit your information to the VA, such as an application make sure it is completed fully and accurately, it has been my experience to submit the DD-​​214 with the application. 3rd, If you read the website, payments did not go out and was not effective until August 1, 2009. So when Certifying Officials did not even submit enrollments until end of July, first of August, so it has only been a month and i am sure a lot of this was that the Certifying Officials were flooded at the last minute. Did you know that there are veterans processing those education claims also, So you are not just talking about civilians, but your fellow soldiers​.It is a new program give the VA time to work out the glitch’s and if you are soley reliant on the post 9/​11 gibill to pay your car payment or house payment, wake up, this is for education, not anything extra, time to grow up and be responsible for your actions.

Ok for those who are bad mouthing Veterans who deserve these benefits need to shut the hell up. Whoever wrote, “First off I would like to say if you are depending on the BAH to live on you need to grow up. BAH around the nation averages at just over $1000. That doesn’t pay for rent, food, clothing, and anything else you need. The money is given to assist you in your housing situation…not fund your life.” doesn’t know what they are talking about. We know the $1000 isn’t enough for rent, food and other things but it does help those of us who work full time and go to school full time. Some of us have to pay for things and it was said that the Post 911 GI bill is suppose to pay for tuition straight up, not me I had to pay out of my pocket. That puts me in a bind until I am re-​​embursed.
Now for the ones who are bad mouthing the VA: It is new and everything that is new is going to have flaws at the beginning. Yes the VA should have been prepared but I wouldn’t want their job. Veterans who are not receiving there BAH allowance yet, should realize that you get paid at the end of the month you are enrolled in. Thats the way it goes.
Im not talking crap about the Veteran or the VA but those of you who want to talk down on Veterans who are just concerned about their benefits, you need to shut your mouth and don’t post stupid comments on here.
VA is doing a good job and just give it a little time to work out. If yor in that big of a bind. GET A JOB. I work nights and go to school all day. If you been to Iraq you should be used to sleep deprevation. In other words SUCK IT UP.
Sgt. USMC

I CANT BELIEVE IT AFTER 30 YEARS SERVING IN THE MILITARY THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO ME. IM STILL WAITING FOR THE BACK PAYMENTS FROM THE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS FOR THE 123 YEARS OF BACK PAYMENTS FOR THE GOVERNMENT LEASES OWED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT WILL TAKE THEY ONLY OWE 13 TRILLION AND INTEREST. SURE YOU CAN TRUST THE GOVERNMENT, JUST ASK A INDIAN. STOP COMPLAINING.

To Sgt USMC,
Obviously you are misunderstanding what I was implying…if you read all the post on this article you would know that there are tons of people who are depending on the $1000 or so per month to fund their lives. They obviously don’t know that $1000 per month is not enough to pay the bills. Nobody said they don’t deserve the money.
Now, how is it that I don’t know what I’m talking about?
As another important note that I will keep reiterating…There is NO reason a vet friendly school would make you front the money…they know you are going to get paid. So, sorry Sgt USMC that you got screwed by the school, however luckly you have a job and can make payments like a responsible adult.
Go Huskies!!

I understand the “new” GI bill was projected to have problems, and is having problems. That being said I don’t understand why those of us who elected not to go with the new one and have been recieving the old previously can’t get our benefits in a timely manner. I havn’t changed anything with my GI bill, so why all the sudden this semester get screwed up with things that have worked just fine in the past. I was told my file doesn’t even exist. Explain to me how it can just dissappear.

First off they will get you your money. So stop calling in. If you don’t like how long it takes. Then do one of two things. Go work for the VA and help out. Or don’t go to school. Now Mr. JOE C. first off you will not ever get any money for the Indian thing. That happen to your people not you. And if they did get any money you would not of gotten to see it. If you hate the gov so bad. Then leave. Canada is North Mexico is south. You have no idea what the VA does. They do so much for people but all you people know is it taking a long time to get some money. Its time to grow up.

For those of you telling Vets to “SUCK IT UP” I was a Marine deployed twice to iraq I know how to “suck it up” but you have to realize people may not be in the same circumstances as you. I have been collecting the GI bill for the last year and a half. And yes i depend on this money. Im a fulltime student and a single fulltime parent do you have any idea what daycare costs? Or even babysitters? I have a part time job.…all my job money goes to babysitters and daycare. You cant take your child to school with you! Not only am I depending on these benifets my child is depending on these also. So for those of you telling VETs to “SUCK IT UP” you need to think before you speak!!

Still waiting 3 months for a supervisor call back from the VA. Unacceptable!!! Most colleges wait until the drop date to send up ur certificate. Mine was sent electronically and took 10 days to get there? I could have walked it there in ten days!!! Then the clock starts on the 6–8 weeks of wait time for the benefit. Veterans need to unite and get heard WE DESERVE BETTER—Hit me up At guitaristadam@​yahoo.​com and lets see what we can do

THE VA NEVER PAID MY TUITION NOR HOUSING NOR MONEY FOR BOOKS. MY COLLEGE DISENROLLED ME FROM MY COURSES BECAUSE THE VA NEVER PAID!!! WE VETERANS ALWAYS SUFFER AND ARE LIED TO SINCE THE DAY WE WENT TO OUR RECRUITING OFFICE. WORDS CAN’T DESCRIBE HOW UPSET I AM!!

The school was the problem in my case. I pre-​​enrolled in June. I took the “signed off” validation to the school VA counselor in the same month. The counselor did not send my certification off to the VA until August 13th. When I questioned the counselor about this he told me, “There must have been a lot of veterans ahead of you”. Are you for real!

I have not received any payments as of today. The VA will figure it out, so just give them some time. I suggest some of you guys take an English class and learn the proper uses of punctuation.

FYI, my daughter and i were able to get a PARENT PLUS loan from Fannie Mae. Here is the website:http://www.salliemae.com/ Get busy people! The process was easy and i was contacted the same day. I was approved immediately to my surprise. Now all i have to figure out is are the benefits going to be allowed even though we have a loan for her last year. I would like to be able to cancel it once the benefits start? This is just one option. Payments have to be made 60 days from the last check that is sent out to the institution. Make sure you read and select the right loan for you. Best thing to do is apply on line and talk with someone to see what your options for repayment are. Especially the Vets without jobs. post a comment if you have any answers to my questions? Thanks. STEEL RAIN!

I quit a full time position and took a part time position in order to take advantage of the Post 9/​11. I have two kids and no food or gas. I am impatiently waiting on money that no one can tell me when its coming. This by far has to be the worst case scenario for those of us who are “barely” making it through the recession. If we were trending water before, this does not help at all. Though all this I have managed to do well, only now have I become worried. I feel helpless and like my hands are tied behind my back. Now, I pray and wait. To everyone else, I hope the best and remember you are not alone. Reach out and ask those around you for help, I know I am. Also, please stay strong, please! WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS!

Has anybody found out facts from the VA department? I will admit this has bound me up paying out of pocket and I just want to know how long it could possibly take to receive the first payment. My school informed me as well that they were not to turn in the paperwork until after the drop add period per the VA workshop instructions. If anyone has made contact, please relay the information to the rest of us. Thank you.

As a retired Sergeant Major who has spoken with numerous VA personnel about the payment times, I will give you the bottom line: 2 things must happen
a) VA has to do the paperwork to covert you over to CHAPTER 33. Once they have recieved your application, it will take at least 6–8 weeks for it to get processed. Expect over 8 weeks.
b) Your school has to have submitted your attendance dates and hours for the Fall semester.
Once you have been accepted into Chapter 33 (again expect at least 8 weeks), then wait at least another 4–6 weeks before the payment paperwork to get processed.
After both sets of paperwork are complete, then you can expect to get paid by the very end of the month or the first week of the month after waiting the last 4–6 weeks after the payment paperwork has been processed.
So in a perfect world, you could get paid in 12–16 weeks from the time of the paperwork submission IF both sets of paperwork were submitted at the same time.

Sergeant Major’s right. I called the VA last thursday. They said they recieved my enrollment papers Aug. 5th and expect 6 weeks before I receive benefits.

So what are the people who submitted their claims back in June supposed to do if it’s already September and they have not been processed. My claim was submitted by my school’s VA office and not online. I have contacted the VA and was told over the phone that they couldn’t find a reason why it hadn’t been processed yet and was unable to procure an answer as to when it would be. All of the documentation was there to complete my transfer to the Post 9/​11 but the technician over the phone could not give me a timeframe.
Another thing that I would like to point out is in the state of California where I live the monthly housing stipend is $2000 per month and every dime is needed due to cost of living out here. For me nonpayment of gi bill benefits means eviction. I could choose to look for a regular job like one other person pointed out but right now no one is hiring and it would take me awhile to find a person that is. That means while I attempt to find a position and quit school I am not only gonna go deeper into debt but am also gonna start having trouble paying my bills.
I know someone is going to try to write some insensitive garbage saying you should have planned things better, but the truth of the matter is that I planned things as best as I could to ensure that something like this wouldn’t happen. However, there is only so much that any person can plan for in life. That is the reason that unlike many of the people I have seen posting comments I submitted my paperworks not weeks but almost three months before the new gi bill was to go into affect. However, the only thing I couldn’t plan for were other people’s incompetence in doing their job.
And for those people who are going to tell me about the hard job that the VA is doing. I am a workstudy with the VA and I watch what they do everyday. I know that although government workers are not lazy they do not do as productive a job as private employees. I watch their once an hour coffee breaks and their 15 minute conversations with coworkers even when they don’t think I notice.
And I know that someone is going to respond saying that they work for the VA and what I’m saying isn’t the truth but we all know that’s a bunch a bull and chances are they are just saying that in order to refute the statement I just made in defense of a system that has had a year to plan and implement. Let me state that again. They’ve had ONE YEAR to plan for all of this!!!
1. One year to publish the new rules.
2. One year to hire new employees.
3. One year to train all of their employees.
4. One year to implement the new system.
5. One year to create the documentation to switch over which would have been no more than to create a few new lines on their already existing form.
6. One year to accept the applications although they did not start accepting applications until less than 4 months before the new bill was to go into effect.
That is why, for anyone reading this post, I decided last week to contact my congressman’s office and they are investigating into the matter. Not just for me, but for those people who have fallen through the cracks in the system and are waiting for a response.
I am also using any channel of communication necessary to get the message across to other vets.
If we want the system to work for us, we as veterans must come together in solidarity and ask the tough questions of the VA, and stop allowing them to give us excuses while we stand back and take it.

Ok, I just called the VA this past Fri(sept 4th), and they informed me that it is now taking an average of 16–20 weeks to prcess claims, longer if you are living in California or Texas. I was told 22 weeks!!! WTF! I cant believe this. I cant even complete college now.

Don’t take their crap!!! Contact your congressman and make it an issue. You can go to their local office and they will have you fill out forms and will investigate. We need to bring this to the attention of our representatives. Just sitting by and allowing them to do this to you is no good. It’s no good for you and it’s no good for me. The more people that stand up and say something the more of a chance we’ve got. Now isn’t the time to “hurry up and wait”. Now is the time to voice your complaint to your congressman. “The squeaky wheel gets the grease”.

For all of you that are excepting the failure of our government to comply with what they promised, shame on you! In the military we never excepted nothing less than 100%. Can you imagine if we told are gunnies, chiefs, officers that sorry we are new and need a couple extra months before we can finish the job. This is unacceptable, and this is why our government is so messed up today, because there are so many that would reconcile with the government. I tell you what if it was the senaters, congressman, and war makers pay(benefits)getting messed with things would change in a heart beat. Shame on the government to make me bitch like a common welfare recipient after serving my country.

I totally agree. We are not welfare recipients. We are veterans receiving a benefit that we sacrificed our lives for. We abandoned our families and put ourselves in harms way to earn this right, and I do mean right. This is not a privilege that we get. We earned it through our sacrifices and deserve it more than any other generation of veterans since World War II. We were an all voluntary force that knew what we were doing and where we were going and still went. This isn’t welfare. We aren’t gonna be spending our lives mooching off of the government. This educational benefit is our opportunity to get ahead in this world and create a better life and a better America for ourselves and our families. If necessary the VA workers at Muskogee should work overtime to get this task done so that we can pursue our education without the fear of how we are going to make ends meet.
However, since this is not the case I implore all involved to contact your congressman. Use every avenue necessary to put the fear into the VA directors to motivate their people to do their job. Maybe some people here have a little nest egg to survive off of but don’t trust that your nest egg will last until they pay you. Every voice that speaks up is another claim processed.

I got discharged on a honorable discharge after 12 years of service. It was solely involuntarily. After two years of doing nothing but working jobs that really did not fit my needs. I decided to go back to school so that I could get a degree and possibly have my family living a better life and not pay check to pay check. When the post 9/​11 GI Bill came out it was a blessing so I thought. The way it was explained to me was they were paying my tuition, giving me a housing allowance, and a book stipend. I have yet to receive any of these. It is going on 6 weeks. I was told the money for my books would come as soon as they received clarification from the school, well they have 6 weeks ago, i have the letter stating it. So now I had to find $500.00 for my books, which has really put me in a financial bind. And when I have called the VA three times trying to find out information, I get that it is in progress. In progress could mean from 24 hours to whoever knows. This plan should have really been thought out before it was put out to the Veterans that might be depending on this money are now being led on. I can say the VA has done a lot for me however this is one that is not working in their favor.

The VA made it clear that this program did not start until Aug 1. So the first payment for those that started school in Aug should be arriving now. If you went to summer school, you should have been getting ch 30.
Yes the VA has issues and delays, but when congress wrote a new g.i. Bill, they made it very complicated. It used to be that there were 3 amounts + possibly a kicker. Now it depends on the state, school, length of service, and congress only gave them a year to implement it. Blame congress.
Not fair to anyone. I wish all the best of luck.

Whoever the SGM was that said “Suck it Up” that is fine, but it’s kind of hard to suck it up and get a job during a recession.
I saved a lot of money while in the Army and have been able to hold out. However, truly hope that the money kicks in by 1 OCT. Many students are either in school for the first time or in a professional school that takes up each and every moment of your day.
I know working is highly ill-​​advised for me. So, I am sure it may be for others waiting on the funds. I would say suck it up, but we did that on the front end, now it’s time to be rewarded for service. Therefore, people should have a little frustration due to the delays.
The money is coming, everything seems favorable. So, try to hold out. We are the first group of people to get this so we will have to take the brunt of it all until it clears up.
Still and excellent program that will only improve I am sure.

If it takes the federal government a year to mess up the new GI bill, and it takes 16 weeks to simply say, “Yes!” to an application for school benefits for 240,000
well deserving veterans, can you imagine how messed up the feds will be if Obamacare gets opened up for 27,000,000 people. It will be sometime in 2040 before the feds hire (estimated 250,000 clerks), train, and implement the mandates of the Obamacare proposals. Can you imagine the screw ups when they try to implement in 2010???? Yikes!

I planned ahead for the Post 911 GI Bill. I went to the VA certifying offical at my school. He explained to me several months ago that it was a new program and that I may not get payed until the end of October. I told him about a friend of mine who was going to school 12 hours a way from me. My friend is a veteran as well, and had questions about the Post 911 GI bill. He isn’t the certifying offical for his school but offered to talk to him and explain to him how the new Post 911 GI bill works. I am not depending on the Post 911 GI bill and I work as well as much as I can to make sure I can provide for myself. Explain to me how I can work on the weekends, and go through a 5 day a week internship. I planned ahead thats how. Once the VA sorts through the paperwork. My VA rep told me in June that if the VA didn’t pay me in time. They would in fact backpay all the money. I have noticed that my tuition has been payed. I just havent received any money for BAH. Im just giving it time. The VA will come through. They always do. I have nothing but good things to say about the VA. You should always plan for the worst possible situation.
Good luck! Stay Focused! It will work out!
SSgt US Air Force

I applied for the new Post 9/​11 GI bill when they began accepting applications. I think that was in May. It only took 4 weeks to get my certification letter from the VA and the school I go to has already accepted and submitted my hours to the VA. The payments are delayed approximately 4 weeks (this is from my VA officer at the school) so be patient. I am a mother of 2 working from home while my husband is out job hunting. While I could use the money, I am not going to throw the VA under the bus. This is a new program and everyone needs to be patient. As for the $1000 book stipend. That is an annual payment so you will not be getting $1k every month. You get $47.61 per credit hour.

I understand everyone’s frustration, however, we were all once soldiers and we know how to improvise. Yes, the VA will pay. I used the VA for vocactional rehab for by bachelor degree and now I’m using the Post 9/​11 GI Bill for my master degree. For those of you going to a school that is making you front the money, leave that school. That means they don’t respect you as a veteran. Schools know they are going to get their money from the government so they are wrong if they are telling you to pay up front.
As for your books, if you cannot afford them ask someone in your class if you can copy the book on the off days of class. I do this. I’m not going to allow any obstacles to stop me from getting my education. It there is a will there is a way. Come on soldiers and marines we don’t watch things happen we make things happen.
I am a single mother of four, I work all day and go to school at night. This is just one more sacrifice I have to make if I am going to get where I’m going. It’s sad that things are not right, but we need to crap or get off the pot.

I believe its the schools VA reps fault because I turned in my approval from the VA for my Post 9/​11 Bill in May and the VA reps at my school never sent in my paper work for processing with the VA till Aug. 21. They should have sent it in on July 7th when they were allowed by the VA to send in applications. So, now I’m one of those students whose application hasn’t been processed… and I need this money my husband lost his job, I don’t work and we have a 17 months old to take care of and we are currently leaving of our savings what little we have left and credit cards that we haven’t used in the last 10 months because we’ve been saving them for a emergency well here’s the emergency till my husband gets a new job. Its only been 1 month.

I’ve been receiving benefits since August of 2008. never a problem. Nothing in my enrollment status has changed yet I havent received a payment since june. I can’t even get anyone to tell me why this is. They keep saying I haven’t called to verify June but I have several times. I just wish someone had some answers (that make sense)

A report from the trenches: I got on VONAPP within days of the VA accepting applications in May. I received my Award certificate from the VA in early June. I faxed it to my school immediately. I enrolled on 6/​18/​09 in a Summer course that began in Mid-​​July and ended in late August. I had to pay upfront because the Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill didn’t begin paying out until 8/​1/​09. My school, University of Maryland University College (UMUC), as instructed by the VA, could not send my enrollment until 7/​7/​09; they did so on that date. The school got paid on 8/​6/​09; they refunded me in the amount that was covered by the VA (not the entire tuition but only for the portion of the class from 8/​1/​09 through the 8/​20/​09). Not a big deal since my employer is paying the balance. I got paid for my books on 8/​4/​09 and I received my BAH on 8/​26/​09 for August (earlier than I expected).
For the Fall semester, I am caught up in the 6-​​week delay, but I didn’t enroll until 8/​7/​09 (UMUC sent the enrollment certification on 8/​17/​09).
Conclusions:
1. UMUC is an awesome, Vet-​​friendly school. I received an email assuring me to not worry; my class will not be cancelled or dropped and that I may go ahead and attend my class (which starts tonight).
2. Follow the rules, and do everything as early as possible. Do not delay–can not stress that enough.
3. Hope you are serviced by the Buffalo VA office. They are efficient and are doing a very good job with what they’ve had to deal with, given that they have been overwhelmed by the popularity of the program.
4. Do all the above for the Spring semester as soon as you are able. UMUC’s registration for Spring begins October 1. Don’t think I’m going to wait until December or even November to get the ball rolling for classes that start in January!
To sum all this up, you must-​​must-​​must-​​must start early and follow the rules, fill out all forms/​applications completely and accurately. Pay attention to dates and timelines. Do not depend on these benefits for your daily living (if you can’t afford to wait for reimbursement, then you have to make tough choices that only you can make depending on your situation).
Good luck, fellow vets!

I turned my paperwork into the school on time. Luckily I called the VA ED department and asked if they had received anyhthing. They told me no, so I contacted my VA CO at the college immediately. She appologised, she had not done it, but she had so many claims and was basically overloaded, as she also woks at the reg. and enrollment. I think the schools were not prepared for the large influx of enrollments, but I’m not too upset because the VA will eventually pay me. It may take a while, they are slow, but I am still blessed to have the support of the Va as I am also a DAV.

I retired 5 years ago, I put my post 911 paper work in, June of this year. I started school in July and I still have not received my money for school or the BHA. I think the VA need to replace the workers, that has been working for the va for a long period of time. Because, when you work in a place for along period of time, you get lazy and you feel you can not be fired. They dont really care about us, the vetran, they take 3 hour lunch breaks, and go home at 5. Replace them, and watch things start to happen, with the VA.

I have seen in many e-​​mails where people believe that their regional VA office processes the GI Bill claims. That is not true. Only the office in Muskogee Oklahoma processes claims. If you got your new gi bill then congratulations!!! You won the gi bill lottery!!! As for the rest of us we are apparently the lottery losers.

I finally had an update from the VA; they are working my file.
I enrolled for the fall semester in APRIL. I submitted my application for the new GI Bill on MAY 5. My award letter was dated 18 MAY.
My school certifying official sent in my information on 19 AUGUST — 1 day before school started! This was months after i turned in my information and after being assured that he had already done so.
You bet I contacted my congressman. They have been calling and calling the school certifying official, but they never return his calls.
I also faxed the President and Senator Webb. This is unacceptable.

I wish people will stop posting falsehoods here, such as “Only the office in Muskogee Oklahoma processes claims.” There are enough lies out there on the Internet about the Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill that can confuse the average PhD.
There are in fact 4 regional processing offices for claims: Muskogee, OK; St. Louis, MO; Buffalo, NY; and, Atlanta, GA.
It’s good to read anecdotes and personal experiences but take things with a grain of salt. And, as with anything, if you must trust, be sure to VERIFY!! :p

Sammytki,
Why did you contact the President and your senator? At least in your case, it was your school’s fault. You said it yourself, THE SCHOOL didn’t send your information until August 19th.
I just don’t understand why you think that’s the VA’s fault, warranting a congressional inquiry involving the President and Senator Webb…

Geez Robert
Am I not allowed to contact my President and the author of the GI Bill to share my experience with the new benefit?
I’m sure they like to hear what is going on out there.

Sammytki,
You can tell President Obama and Senator Webb anything you want, but come on–the president you needed to contact is the President of your school and the senator you needed to contact is the State Senator in charge of your college and university systems if you want to complain about your School Certifying Official failing to send your information to the VA in a timely manner.
The President and Congress can barely pay attention to one thing at the National level, much less wasting time running down some college employee who didn’t do their job in sending your information on time. Just about nothing wastes more time than complaining to the wrong people.
Congress: address the failure of a Federal agency (Department of Veterans Affairs) to handle your case fairly and under the requirements of law.
Local Government: address the failure of a State agency or institution (YOUR SCHOOL) to handle your case fairly and under the requirements of law.
That’s the point I’m making.

Golly Robert
I seriously doubt that they are going to get their knickers in a bunch from one little ol fax from me.
I didn’t even mention my case. I told them I was okay financially and could wait, but had concerns about all the stories from other veterans I’ve read here and at another site. I passed on that information.
It made me feel better and at the end of the day — que sera, sera.

The VA is flat out lying. The schools have no reason to submit the paperwork. Everybody knows that the colleges are money hungry and vets equal guaranteed payment. They VA is doing a long audit and are not sensitive to the fact that the vets need the money. These VA caseworkers are getting their checks every month while we suffer. More vets should be case workers.

Make sure you DOUBLE check with your VA official at your school to make sure that they have submitted the certification. They WILL sit on it, such as with my case. I e-​​mailed the guy twice in July and August, and did not get it done until I showed up in person! Now I’m hoping the VA will do their part in 4–8 weeks.…which by that time Fall Semester will be coming to a close.

The schools don’t/won’t certify a claim until AFTER class has started to assure you are going to school and not just trying to get the money…

“The schools don’t/won’t certify a claim until AFTER class has started to assure you are going to school and not just trying to get the money…“
The lies just keep on coming. UNBELIEVABLE.

My paperwork was sent to the VA by my school on July 23, 2009 and I still have not received anything since my last payment under Chapter 30 during the summer. I called the GIBill number and was told Buffalo is taking up to 8 eight weeks.

I’d make a comment, but it seems like whats on my mind has already been said. I am just so disappointed. But you know what i can believe this would happen. with all these government programs failing and all under this new communist regime.Its just so depressing. I am broke. flat broke! I remember how awesome this sounded! I should of known better. Just when you think you can rely on your government for your 4 years of service. for your years of spending b days, Christmas, new years, thanksgivings, valentines days, and anniversary’s in the desert fighting the presidents wars. lol just boggles the mind. truly boggles the mind.

Were people honestly under the impression that the beginning of an entirely new chapter to the G.I. Bill would be launched without ANY flaws? It should have been painfully obvious to anyone that has ever dealt with the VA in any way whatsoever that things would be incredibly backed up at first but would eventually work themselves out. And by “work themselves out,” I mean, we WILL get reimbursed for whatever we rate, so what is the purpose of whining like a child? Funny how quick us veterans are to point out “all our time in the sand” and “what we did for our country” and at the same time sounding like every whiny liberal out there who assumes they are entitled to anything and everything from the government. Yes, I know, we DO rate the benefits but it doesn’t mean we have to bad mouth the ones that have chosen to offer us the benefits and sound like the very people that epitomize what is so wrong with this nation that we DO fight to protect (let’s hope it wasn’t in vain, by the way, as we seem to be more and more accepting of socialism all of a sudden). I cannot imagine how on earth they could possibly be caught up with everything even by October, but if they are, I would be extremely impressed and had absolutely no reason to believe I would be getting my benefits that quickly when well over a quarter of a million people have applied! Perhaps somewhere an article was written guaranteeing veterans prompt payment under this new bill, but I never saw it and if I had, I still wouldn’t have believed it. This is not a case of foolish incompetence of the VA, this is an overwhelming task by any standards, but the bottom line is that obviously we will eventually get the money so if you weren’t prepared for a longer waiting period than usual, then perhaps ignorance has been the bigger issue and you should’ve waited to apply for the post 9/​11 bill when it was more established.

——–BY THE WAY, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING TO TAX OUR BAH AND STIPEND?————–

Wow!! blame your schools official? come on … the backlog is now 275,000. Schools have been certifying student as soon as they were able to. Schools want to get paid too, they sure dont need to get calls from us veterans wanting to know when they will be paid everday and they want to make sure … they are doing the best job they can with the information they receive from the VA. The VA kept changing the process on the schools from what I know (certify after drop add)… and the backlog continues to grow. The rates for each state maximum kept changing, VA had IT issues, and with a backlog of 275K and new VA employees trying to keep up with the workload its going to get worse before it gets better. School just started within the past few weeks … the back log will get bigger and all of us are in the workflow. If you want things to get better, tell the folk on capital hill how thier new GI Bill is being handled … again it was congress that put this GI Bill into place … they need to follow up to insure thier GI Bill is working properly.

The VA told me it’ll take 4–6 to receive payment. LIES LIES LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I applied for the Post 911 MAY 1. My enrollment Verification went out AUG 2!!!!! still no money. They keep telling me 4 to 6 weeks!!! I’ll tell you what, you better start getting ready for Spring semester cause these **********…As soon as I can register for my spring classes I will…

I visted my CO at my school yesterday and she told me that the VA is telling her that students just need to wait for their money they and their schools will evently get their payments.
She recommended that I contact my local representive and that others should do the same.
For those who think we should just suck it up and get a job, some people may have been let go (like I have, because the minimum wage went up and she could no longer afford to pay me) and have trouble finding jobs at this time. I know some are in tougher situations and was hoping for this money to help them get through.

I have been keeping up with the postings following this article and I have yet to see anyone comment on the regular old chapter 30. I opted out of the new program because I feared such problems as delays and further complications. I have yet to receive my chpt 30 benefits and have been attending the same school for spring, summer, and now the fall semester. I cannot even certify. I know many of you are experiencing the same difficulties under the post 911 bill but what about chapter 30???? When I call its the sam old “all lines are busy” and rather than place me on hold, they disconnect. HELP????

Thursday, September 10, 2009
Live from Capitol Hill: House VA Committee to host hearing on VA/​SPAWAR partnership of the Post-​​9/​11 G.I. Bill
This afternoon, the House Committee on Veterans Affairs will host a hearing to discuss the partnership between VA and Navy SPAWAR tasked with developing an electronic filing system for the Post-​​9/​11 G.I. Bill. AMVETS will be on hand in Cannon 334 at 1:30 p.m. for the hearing.
To view the live video feed of today’s hearing, Click Here.
In recent weeks, AMVETS has been tracking the implementation of the Post-​​9/​11 G.I. Bill, tracking payments and the backlog of claims. Though today’s hearing is supposed to simply address the next phase of implementation, AMVETS wants to see Congress address the outstanding issues facing veterans already enrolled for the new Chapter 33 benefits.
Since the VA started accepting enrollment verifications on July 6, it has come to AMVETS’ attention that most veterans will not receive timely payment of their living stipends and that VBA has also missed its deadlines for reimbursing schools for tuition.
While many schools have been understanding of the situation, landlords and utility companies will not be so understanding of the financial hardships.
American Veteran has already received numerous comments from veterans who have been forced to take out student loans in order to make ends meet.
After numerous calls and meetings with VA leaders to discuss the G.I. Bill and the payment processes, AMVETS has only been left with more questions about workload and benefits-​​delivered. AMVETS leaders will continue to ask these questions, until they receive satisfactory answers and solutions.
Check back with American Veteran Online this afternoon to learn more about today’s hearing.

I enrolled in my particular school as soon as the program was announced for the fall term. I immediately used the VONAPP to process my conversion to the 9/​11 program. I have already received a payment of $667 dollars for the book stipend. I have not, however received any sort of BAH payment to date. I am starting to feel the pinch a little bit, but should be able to get by. Some more communication /​ information would be nice.

Elf… You get your fist BAH Check after the first month that you attend school. For instance, if you start on 01 September, you will receive your check on 01 OCT, etc. etc. Ryan from Houston — no tax on BAH and the stipend.

I was informed yesterday (10 Sept)that my tuition had been paid by the VA on the 27th of august. Nothing yet on anything else.

I am the wife of a war veteran and my husband started school on 17 August. The VA Rep at the school did not submit his paperwork until a week later when my husband and I went into her office personally and asked why she had not submitted it. Well, its 3 weeks later. No money for books or BAH stipend. Every time my husband calls the GI Bill phone number it tells him that all the representatives are currently assisting other veterans and to call at another time. He calls every week like we were told to do. We are living on his unemployment from the Army since his return from Afghanistan. I just had back surgery and I am unable to work. Now, how the hell are we suppose to survive if the VA doesn’t do their part?

If the GI Bill is this messed up, I can’t wait for universal healthcare.

My case:
July 28th: VA received my verification of enrollment (from my school)
I’m supposed to receive my housing allowance 4–6 weeks after that, correct? Well, it’s September 13th and I haven’t received anything…YOU do the math.

With all these issues we are having, we should flood the Sec of Veterans (Shinseki) email with our complaints. Unfortunately, there is no email address available. Does anybody know his email address?

I submitted my paperwork in May and my VA Official sent my certification July 13th. They VA lost my certification, I had to get the transaction number and certification number to give to them and now it says on their screen that my school sent my certification on August 19th. That’s not true. Needless to say I’m still waiting but luckily I have a job to pick up where the VA is definitely not! It’s very frustrating but hopefully they will get everything squared away!

I’ve received my books payments as well as my BAH stipend for august but the V.A.has sent me no paper work on anything. No award letter no certificate of eligibility, nothing.
Without the award letter,the money the V.A. has sent to my school for tuition payment cant be processed. That is at least what the school’s v.a. counselor has told me. Twice the V.A. has told me they mailed the letter to me on (insert date) and i never recieved anything.
I’m out of pocket paying for school as of right now. The letter is coming from the same state, why am i not receiving it? Are they lying to me? How hard is it to mail a simple letter?

Storm…really? That’s weird and crazy. The school gets paid and you receive your book stipend and housing allowance AFTER the school sends your enrollment certification to the VA and the VA processes it. And, the school should not have sent an enrollment certification to the VA unless you have given them a copy of your Certificate of Eligibility from the VA showing what percentage you have been qualified for.
Something definitely smells funny here.

Wow!! Some of the comments posted by some of you are amazingly ignorant! I am a 26 year vet retired from active duty. I have never seen any new VA program work smoothly during start up. So, I guess President Obama or Congress is to blame for that as well. I am unemployed, didn’t qualify to receive unemployment, and now out of money. I received my eligibility, 100%, and am attending school full time right now. I have not received a dime yet from the VA, but I know that this problem with the VA is no one person’s, no one’s party, and definitely not the President’s or Congress fault. If a meteor hit earth or the earth gets invaded by aliens, then I guess that’s President Obama’s fault too. Stop the blame game! Veteran’s should act more responsibly, and you know like I know, that when you were or even if you’re still in the military, “hurry up and wait” has plagued the military way before the President took office. The Department of VA and you getting your benefits on time got nothing to do with Health Care reform, nothing to do with politics, nothing to do with Congress, and definitely nothing to do with the President of the United States. The good news is, you will get paid every prorated dime, when is the bad news. Be patient, temper your frustration, and stop misdirecting blame.

Well not all VA offices are the same. For instance, Muskogee is the only non-​​unionized education office. Our processing blows everyone out of the water. The unionized Buffalo, Atlanta and St Louis offices have a quota to meet and so once they meet their simple quota, they’re not going to go above it.
Wonder why claims take 8 weeks just for an application? Beside the fact that we now also have plenty of children and spouses applying for this benefit through the TEB, we also have a new computer system to enter information into. Our 1970’s era system is pretty much useless for the new benefit and so everyone who applies has a new system file created.
As an employee, I blame the command center in DC for their inability to tell Congress and the DoD no to the new benefits. It would have been so much easier to simply increase the rate of pay of existing benefits rather than all of these silly payments for this and that and having so many steps along the way. People who have never touched a claim get to decide how they’re processed and it shows.
@ David: complaining to a person on the phone when you call is completely useless. We do not control the policies… you want change? Then contact your congressmen and work that route. If you’re not going to do that, then be quiet and wait your place in line.

I think it really stinks!!!! here we are getting this benefit, but then I am told I may be dropped from my classes because the check I wrote; thinking I was going to get my book stipend soon, according to the VA. well it has bounced and the school is threatening to drop me if I don’t pay it soon! so what’s the point of starting school and being told we will get paid for it, then being dropped! ridiculous!!!!

robert
talk to the va rep at the school — the certifying official. Mine made sure I was put on a deferrd payment list.
The VA still hasn’t paid my tuition, but I was not dropped.
Good luck

Has anyone else had the problem of trying to log into WAVE and it says, “NOTE: You MUST have a current benefit award with activity in the last 12 months.”? Ive had all my paper work done now for months…and the school says they have mailed it back to them. The file number is your social right? All I know is if I dont get the money soon ill be kicked from school.

Just got of the phone with VA. They said ooops the Buffalo office computers are down until tuesday, 22 Sep. They said they are updating system.…which is another accuse for stop calling everyone we are overloaded so lets just tell people…oh sorry VETERANS OF THE ARMED SERVICES, who put there time in and went above and beyond the call of duty. We have quota’s.…whew I have quota’s also there called obligations. We all know when congress gets involved in anything…ex. YOU LIE statements. that pretty much we’re screwed. It seems to me when DFAS over pays you that it doesn’t take long for them to take there money back. Look how fast that process is. Quick as hell. Maybe that’s what the VA needs some people from DFAS to help out. Well maybe not, you see when they owe you it takes awhile, when you owe them ..SNATCHED UP back.
To all those shipmates who are telling people to stop crying…why don’t you just take a back seat and shut up yourselves. You don’t know peoples situations. I joined 20 some odd years ago and was told to donate money to this and we all know back then you didn’t get paid alot, with the thought of being able to go to school and it would be paid for. Well it’s not like this just started overnight. I’m being told everyday that this is the most claims ever in any one year, well guess what you should have planned on that before implimetation of new plan and had the people in place. I was always tought “the hurry up and wait program”. Sounds like they should have adopted this mentality also.
Getting back to my original comment. I’m bemused to the fact that I don’t even know if I’m going to get paid Oct 1. Frightening, when your dogs are hungry and your broke because you quit your job to go to school fulltime. I just want someone to tell me the checks in the mail or in my account. Simple answers. Yes or no 12 more weeks. Reality check for the VA and it’s not just the Education Dept it is the Healthcare also. Six months for a cardiologist appointment through that system. So maybe there are worse vets out there than us…oh that’s me also.

I don’t care who is to blame, who did what, or whats gonna happen. Can I please just get some money? I’ve been receiving benefits for two years, now all of a sudden nothing for the last two months! I’ve got kids to feed, a mortgage to pay and my credit card is maxed out with tuition, this months tuition hasn’t been paid, and I certanley can’t pay the credit card bill. I just need to be able to survive, money any money PLEASE!!!!!
–Hungry in Arkansas

If the new GI Bill was handled by contractors which was originally proposed, this wouldn’t have happened. The VA knew they couldn’t handle it but they selfishly chose to keep their jobs at the cost of our expense. They can’t get penalized for it. Contractors can so there’s an incentive to work more efficiently. Also, the schools in California will likely be more delayed than any other school. My certifying official told me they weren’t allowed to certify enrollment until late August which means 6–8 weeks on top of that for processing by the VA. I also confirmed this with a VA certifying official at another school as well.

Just to clarify, VA told schools in CA not to process certifications until late August. So it’s not the school’s fault.

I served with 82nd (ABN) Division for almost nine years. I was discharged out of the military in Feb of this year and had enough money to get through until August, when my G.I Bill money was “supposed” to come in.
I filed my claim in January and processed all of my paperwork. I verified with my school official and the VA rep over the phone that they received all of the correct paperwork. August 13th I decided to call and just check up to see if everything was going according to plan.
I was then told that I needed to file another VA fORM 22–1990 that the other one was under Chapter 30 and not 33. This was after 8 months of consulting with VA officials. Now, I’m broke with maxed-​​out credit cards, 1/​2 of the books I need and had to apply for a Federal Loan. The VA told me to wait 6 weeks at first. Now they are telling me its 8–10 week process. I NEED MONEY!

Usually those ” Suck it up ” people are retired ones, that get their disability and retirement. News flash, not all of us are.We didnt told the government to wait up,we’ll deploy on a certain date and then messed it up.If they cant get us what we earned it, how about a “get outa jail” card from the government, because everybody is trying to kick us outa the school,our houses and taking our cars.

@Sherman.……How can you possibly tell these people to “be patient, temper your frustration” when they are facing eviction and other sorts of things like that?

this is insane, I cannot believe this is actually the reality of the situation so many people are relying on this money and are just being dicked around… I don’t mean to be offensive but I just don’t understand why this situation is even occurring something must be done your voices must be heard! This shouldn’t be happening.

Im starting to get worried. I waited a while knowing it would take forever to start getting money but now Im 4 weeks into school, dont have any books, Im starting to get tested and I have no books to study. My rent is due and I dont know how Im going to pay for it. Im late on my car payment and my daughter and I had a whole $20 for groceries last week. I have no more money to live off and I dont know what to do anymore. I know tons of people are in my situation too.
I called them and one guy said that everything was approved and all I was waiting on was the payment to be approved. He told me it would be another week. Well, its going on 3 weeks and nothing. Not even my books. I called again last week and another guy said that I would get my money by the end of the month, well its almost here and nothing. I do hope I get it though, I am moving into a new house end of October and I dont know what to do.
Has anyone gotten any money yet?

Submitted all my paperwork over a month ago. Still have no word from the school va rep or the va. This is pathetic. Sad too considering how great the program will be once it is actually being implemented. Any updates?

I feel a little better knowing I am not the only one being ignored. I submitted my application for the Post 9/​11 GI Bill back in May. I called in August because I hadn’t received anything from them concerning my enrollment in the new GI Bill. I wanted to sign up for classes for the fall semester, so I decided to give the school a call and ask them what to do. They told me to go ahead and register for classes and that the school (UMUC) is working with the VA on payments. Long story short, the VA received my app on 12 May and had no idea why it had’nt been completely processed. They advised me to post a question on their q and a page on their website because the Buffalo Office would have to respond to my inquiry. They took nine days to respond and changed the status to Resolved without resolving anything. Miraculously, I actually received my certificate of eligibility in the mail about a week ago. The school hasn’t gotten paid despite the fact that they’ve already sent my certification of enrollment on 19Aug09. Obviously, I wont be getting a dime before the school does. It is really unfortunate that the VA is not communicating with vets. Every time I have called you get the standard message that they are busy and the call is disconnected. How about having a message that explains a little bit about the delay and when they anticipate people getting payments. Their site hasn’t been updated for almost a month. This is a real shame and I feel badly for all who’s livelihood depends on this.

I just got on the VA GI Bill Website and they have a running ticker on how many payments they have processed to date. ONLY 2,300 for Post-​​9/​11 and 3,500 for other education programs. HOW CAN THAT BE? The article above dated 08/​24 stated that there have been over 13,000 veterans whose enrollments have been certified. And one month later they have only processed payments for 2,300?? There is something very wrong with this picture. They shouldn’t have promised something they couldn’t deliver. Especially when it deals with money because it can ruin peoples lives when they can’t pay the rent or buy groceries. Yes, most of us have jobs while in school, but when you go to school full time it is difficult to keep working full time too. People left careers behind to go back to school full time when this benefit was announced. Now all we ask is that they follow through with their promises.

naomi
that number is for the payments processed for that day only — not the total so far.
Each day they post the previous day’s total payments processed

I feel all of your pain. I applied for my COE in May, got it in July, submitted my paperwork and they told me the 1st of Sep. Then they told me 18th of Sep and now the 1st of Oct. I had to cut back my hours at work to go to school full time and my car broke down. I am a single father and my lights got turned off yesterday. Staying with my sister until that check comes in and my landlord wants all of their money and I have to pay the babysitter. My school told me my classes would be suspended if they didnt get their payment. Hang in there everyone. Have faith.

Over 12,000 payments were processed yesterday — the 22nd — almost twice what they processed the day before.
Looks like some progress is being made.

Progess is not being made for those on the east coast !

I’m in the same boat like everyone else, got my certification from my school on Aug 18, now just waiting to get paid. I’m living on my last 20 bucks, but It’ll most likely be spent on gas to get to school. The school in which the VA has yet to pay. Oh well, I know they’re going to pay but its seems like forever. I should have applied for FA but I thought this plan would make FA obsolete. So on the bright side, at lease when the payments does come in, I can learn to appreciated the value of the dollar instead of spending on useless crap I don’t need, like a 55 inch LCD TV, a i phone, or drinks at the bar. Right now I need to get paid and my school needs to get paid, then everyone and their mothers would be happy…so the VA needs to double time and step it up with the left foot and run all day till the run is done.

@EX_Marine_Toopin.….…Now aint nothing wrong with an 55inch LCD TV.…LOL!!!!! you gotta stay entertained somehow right.…But absolutely understand. It cost me a good amount of money to get back and fourth to school 2 to 3 times a week on top of bills and rent. I sure hope my name is in the “payment processed” pile.

It frustrates me that my husband served honorably, yet…on top of the ptsd he suffers from his combat service…has to go through the anxiety of hoping and praying that his GI bill money will come through in time to pay bills, when it’s the VA that promotes using the new bill, claiming that it’s “new and improved” and then offers no more than a “Gee, sorry…” when no payments are received and school starts on Monday. You know, I wish they could find a way to delay the horror that these service people go through in combat. Then maybe they would have the capacity to deal with the broken promises of the country they served. As it stands, after upheaving our lives in hopes of a better future and having to hear how there is no way to tell when we might receive our payments…we wish we were Canadian. God Bless.

Didn’t see anything regarding Aviation and Flight schools, streamline the program, less is more.

The feds are too busy cutting special deals for certain states,gaming the system and paying off the polictical whores to take care of the vets. What kind of government do we have that won’t take care of its vets? Can’t wait for the next photo op in the leftist vanity tour. I would put as much faith in this current
government as trusting Custer’s superior stretegy. Throw the bums out.

I think everyone should take their government issued straw and suck it the fuck up.

The only way that you could get ahold of the people in the VA was to call them first thing in the morning…Now they don’t even answer, it just goes straight to a recording saying that there are too many calls at the moment & then it hangs up on you. I have been trying to call for months.…Yes whoever said the VA people weren’t educated enough, you are right.…I was told that the post 9/​11 Gi bill would be better for me since I’m going to an expensive private fashion design school and that 100% of my tuition would be paid for, that was wrong because they only pay the highest public tuition for that state. In California it is $12,000 which was less than half of my tuition. My school got the payment but as for BAH, I haven’t received a dime…And I started school almost 4 months ago, so I don’t know why it says 10–12 weeks on the Gi bill website, because that is a lie…I drove all the way to Orange County, CA from Fairbanks, Alaska to attend the school of my dreams, and served 4 honorable/​ faithful years in the Corps, but who is being faithful to me? Not the VA & Government that’s for sure.…It has been my boyfriend who has been paying the rest of my tuition and rent, and my younger sister who has been assisting also. My boyfriend has to walk to work (in well below zero degree weather), because he can’t afford a vehicle after paying my expenses all while the VA assistance is MIA…How much longer does this have to go on before my boyfriend & little sister can have their dream back? I promised them the money will be right back in their pockets as soon as I got the BAH money fr/​ the GI BILL…I don’t even know when that is anymore…Maybe I’ll have to drop out of school, drive all the way back to ALASKA, and get a job just to pay them back for something that wasn’t even worth it! If I knew this would happen I would have stuck with the old GI bill and stayed at home! Someone tell me if help is on the way…or if I have to prepare to drive 3,000+ miles all the way back…because I’m running out of time & food!

for those who cant get through to the va on the phone they only take phones calls from mon-​​wed of each week .you have to keep calling back to back until you get through.If that doesnt work you can go to their website and do an inquiry online

For the most part in my experience the help on most to all levels from the Va to the representative at school has been extremely sub par. I will say this in any situation you have to look not only at them for the problem but also ask yourself what can or could i have done better. It is unrealistic to think in a week, hey i am going to sign up for classes, submit your papers and get angry that they have not come back yet and school has already started. We all know dealing with the VA is a pain and takes months to get results. Plan ahead take care of what you are responsible for and then you go to the next level. Our veterans system is very lacking and if you have ever tried to call the 1–800 number just for simple answers you know what i mean. I think light is just beginning to be shed on it and will take some time to fix. I wish the best to all of you and don’t let go of your dreams.

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