Fact Checking the New GI Bill

By Terry Howell

Over the last year hundreds of articles have been written about the new Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill. Some have been more accurate than others. As with any new benefit, it is difficult to separate fact from fiction. The following are some of the less than factual things you may have read or heard about the new GI Bill.

Fiction: The Montgomery GI Bill is being replaced by the Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill on August 1, 2009.

Fact: Although this has often been reported in the news, the fact is the current MGIB is not going away. The new GI Bill is merely an additional benefit added to the VA’s long list of education programs. Servicemembers and veterans who want to use the new benefit must make an irrevocable choice to switch.

Fiction: The VA let the Department of Defense dictate the policy for transferring Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill benefits. And it was the DoD that co-​​opted the policy making servicemembers reenlist to earn the benefit.

Fact: Congress mandated that DoD determine the policy for transferring the GI Bill. In addition, the original intent was to encourage retention.

Fiction: Everyone who switches to the new GI Bill (Chapter 33) will be refunded their $1,200 MGIB (Chapter 30) enrollment fee.

Fact: Those who switch to the new GI Bill with remaining MGIB benefits will be refunded up to $1,200 of their enrollment fee — based on how much of the MGIB they have remaining when the elect to switch. This payment will be made in their last monthly housing stipend payment.

The catch — Veterans who do not receive the monthly housing stipend in their last month of Post-​​9/​11 benefit will not get a refund of their MGIB enrollment fee. According to VA this is because veterans taking distance learning classes or attending half-​​time (or less) do not qualify for the monthly housing payment.

Fiction: Dependent children who receive transferred GI Bill benefits must use their benefits within15 years of their parent’s separation from active duty.

Fact: Dependent children have until their 26th birthday to use their transferred GI Bill benefit — no matter when their parent leaves the military.

Fiction: The new GI Bill cannot be used for online courses.

Fact: The new GI Bill can be used for taking online courses. However, there are limitations.

  • The tuition rate is limited to the in-​​state undergraduate tuition rate for publicly operated schools – for the state in which the school is located, not the student’s home state. This could result in out-​​of-​​pocket expenses.
  • Students taking 100 percent of their classes online (each term) are not eligible to receive the monthly housing stipend for that term.

 

Fiction: Everyone should switch to the Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill.

Fact: Choosing to switch to the Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill is irrevocable, making sure it best suits each individual’s needs before switching is critical. For most, the new GI Bill is a better deal; however, here are some reasons why the Post 9/​11 may not fit your needs:

  • The school you plan to attend is located in a state with low tuition rates and/​or you plan to use your benefits to attend online courses.
  • You plan to use your benefits to take vocational or technical training.
  • You qualify for less than 100 percent of the Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill based on the number of active duty months served since Sept. 10, 2001.
  • You have used more than half of your MGIB benefits. If you exhaust your MGIB before switching, you may be eligible for up to 12 additional months of Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill benefits.

Be sure to research, ask questions, and seek counseling at your school’s veteran services office before making the switch. Get help from the source, call the VA at 1–888-GIBILL-1 or visit www​.gibill​.va​.gov.

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I just typed in my information in the GI Bill calculator to find out what I would get from the new MGIB and it says they won’t pay any of my tuition and I will actually be getting less than what I get with the regular MGIB.
BUT!! I was in the AF for more than 36 months. I’m attending school full time, all year long, and I’m not in a rural area. What’s the deal?
AND!!! When I called… all they tell me is, “well it sounds like you will qualify, but you never know.” Why should I apply for something that is IRREVOCABLE without having questions answered properly?
I’m so lost as to how they could have SO LONG to figure out the ends and outs of this new MGIB, and still two days before it hits… they still can’t answer questions??????

07:06 GI Bill calculator not working.

QUESTION: I just retired 1 June 2009. Do I have to be in the military on 1 AUG 09 (Active Duty or IRR) to be able to pass the new GI Bill on to my dauthter my dependent?????
Thanks,
Mike O’Connor

I think there is something amiss with the calculator. I have over 36 months time served since 9/​11 and am retired. I will be attending college 3/​4 time in the classroom and the calculator said I would get zero BAH and zero for books.

When I seperated from the service in 1961 I used the MGIB. I then reentered the Reserves and retired in 2003 with being activated many times both before and after 2001. Would I also be elegible for the new gi bill even though I used the mgib??

Mike,
You do have to be actively drilling on August 1st or within your retirement timeline. Additionally, you must have served 6 years and re-​​enlisted for another 4. This is the retention tool that they are referring to.

Dan,
Law states that you are authorized up to 36 months of any single GI Bill chapter, not to exceed 48 months of any combination.
Only your active duty time past 9/​11 will count toward your eligibility percentage. This requires that you be activated for other than training purposes for more than 90 consecutive days. As long as you were activated for other than training after 9/​11 for more than 90 consecutive days, then all of your post-​​9/​11 non-​​training active duty days will be added cumulatively to determine your percentage.
Those that COMPLETELY exhaust chapter 30 are eligible for an additional 12 months under 33 without the $1200 reimbursement, so I would recommend applying for it even though you were 32.

Why does the VA discriminate so much against distance learning schools? I wish I didn’t have a need to go to work and just attend a campus

I served with the Indiana Air National Guard for 19 years with no break in service longest time active duty time was 89 days because they would pull you out so they would not have to give you any benee’s my question is I go to AIU full time am I able to get any help from the VA.

Melody,
They are required to say that they cannot be sure you will qualify because they aren’t the ones that approve theme

Skip,
They aren’t discriminating against distance learning. The only times that distance learning are factored differently are for BAH and remedial courses.
BAH is to prevent someone in a low BAH area to attend a school online that is in New York since BAH is determined by school.
They won’t pay for distance learning remedial courses because they believe that remedial learning requires in class instruction.

Kenneth,
Unfortunately there is nothing really that you can do if you don’t have a DD-​​214 that has a single period of active duty of 90 days or more past 9–11.
There has been a lot of media attention on how the military intentionally cuts veterans short by 1 day. Appeals to records have been done in the past and they have been granted the additional day in some cases, however all of these were on recent (past 2 years) deployments. I have a few veterans that I certify the GI Bill for that have been granted an appeal from 1 day short of 2 years to the actual 2 year mark.

I am retired US Navy Active duty with over 23 years of Active duty. My retirement date is 31Jul 2009. Can I transfer my GI Bill to my daughter by 1 Aug 2009?

Hi Andy,
What about the book stipend? I’m currently taking master’s courses and the books or classes aren’t cheap.

I have been in the Air Guard for 6 years and just re-​​enlisted for another 6. I have used up 25 months of my MGIB Chpt 1607. I wanted to know if I could transfer my remaining 1607 GI Bill to my dependents this year?
Also, would it be better for me to switch to the Post 9/​11 MGIB and could I transfer that to my kids and receive an additional 12 months of benefits?
Thank you for your time.
Anita

Skip,
As the bill stands right now (it is constantly changing) the book stipend is a fixed rate of $1000 per year. The cost of your books will affect that fixed amount. Also, it is pro-​​rated depending on your credits and percentage of eligibility.
For example: a 60% eligible veteran at full time status (24 credits a year) will receive $300 per semester (to not exceed $600 a year).
A 50% eligible veteran at half time status (12 credits a year) will receive $125 a semester (to not exceed $250 a year).
They take your total amount eligible starting at $1000 being 100% and divide that by 24 (Full time status for a year) and then multiply the result by how many credits you are certified for.
Confusing, I know. Apparently it sounded good on paper, haha.

Hi again Andy,
Thanks for taking the time and breaking the new bill down /​hi 5

Jaime,
Unfortunately, not as the law stands right now. That issue is under huge debate, however there has yet to be a change.
You must be Active duty or actively drilling in the reserve on or after Aug 1st.

I just did the Post 9/​11 calculator and it said that I qualified for $136 per credit, and no housing allowance. I am so confused. Also, I still have one year left with the MGIB, which I was going to use because articles that I have read have said that I would be elgible for 12 months under the new bill. Is this correct or are there certain things that you have to get through?

I just got out of active duty in April. I start school Aug. 17th but I have to pay my tuition by the 10th. Do I get paid back by the GI bill????

Anita,
You cannot transfer 1607 benefits, but you will be able to transfer post 9/​11 benefits. As long as you are eligible, and you are active or actively drilling, you can break down your remaining month between your dependents in any increments you’d like.
For example, with the assumption that you have not used any other GI Bill, you have 23 months remaining (48 total between any combination minus the 25 you used under 1607). You can give 1 month to each child now, and hold onto the rest until you finish school. At any time, you can move around your months of entitlement from each eligible dependent and yourself as much as you’d like. If you finish school and have 11 months remaining, you can shift it all to one child, even if you have passed your ETS date.
This is assuming that it is all done within 15 years after you finish actively drilling or leave active duty.
Also, you may revoke all entitlement from a dependent at any time. A good way to make sure your kids behave and call home from school ;-)

Berenice,
Ask your school about a tuition deferment option and explain to them that you have 3rd party billing. All of my students that I certify on my campus have automatic deferment so that they don’t have to pay up front out of pocket.
The VA will back pay up to 1 year from when the certification is submitted to them by your schools certifying official. This cannot go prior to the date your were eligible though (Aug 1st under the post 9/​11).

Unfortunately that is all the time I have to answer questions. If any of you have any further questions, you may direct them to your school VA Certifying Official or http://​www​.gibill​.va​.gov.
If your certifying official can’t answer your question then they should ask their VA State Education Liaison Representative (ELR). This is new to all of us, but your certifying official should eventually be able to answer all of your questions or direct you to the proper contact.
Fortunately I certify in Minnesota where the state invests heavily in it’s VA programs and I have many knowledgeable representatives and resources at my disposal that got me to this point. As a fellow veteran, I know how difficult this can be.
And by the way, I don’t work for military​.com and I am not compensated for answering questions, I just want to help as much as possible! Also, these laws may change at any time, so keep in the know!
Take care and thanks for serving!

I want to know about payment info. I can’t find it anywhere in any info about the Post 9/​11 gi bill. When will I get paid every month? Do I have to go to school all month and then call the VA and wait another week to get paid the housing stipend???

I PAID THE ADDITIONAL 600$ ON TOP OF THE 1,200 TOWARD MY GI BILL(AKA THE KICKER). DO I GET THE 600$ BACK AS WELL???

I am about to start fliht training, I am a veteran and I want to use my GI Bill, is my situation diferent to attending a traditional college or university? I am aware that I will receive 60% of my commercial training. Can somebody tell me about it? Thank you

husband died 4 years ago — retired Guard. Went to post 9–11 war. can i get money to go to school?

Quick question: Is anyone in Congress considering an amendment to include those who have retired before this 1 Aug 2009 date?
The requirement for individuals to qualify for Post 9/​11 transferability is that they have served for 36 months after 9/​11. I transferred to the Fleet Marine Corps Reserve after 20 years and 19 days of active service on January 31, 2007. I meet the 36 month requirement, why can those like myself not have the ability to transfer our remaining benefits to our dependents?
Thanks in advance for your response.
Semper Fi,
Shawn

I would like to know why there is a limit of time on the dang GI bill? I was not able to use mine i lived 400 miles from the nearest college and i was a mom.… now that i need a job i cant use my GI bill… in this day and economy a lot of us Vets need to retrain.…That includes Vets from the V.nam war also.…

has everyone forgotten the people that sevrved in desert shield/​storm i think its great what the goverment is doing for the soildier to get an education but lets face it desert storm vets are never going to get any help period be it health for gulf war syndrome or school so i say to all the vets who are eligable to get this better get it before they start wanting blood in return, oh thats right they already got that.

Andy,
How can I find out how much housing stipend I’m entitled to going to school in Guam?

My husband served in National Guard in support of 9/​11 however, he was activated to fill in in the US.…Oregon (2004–2005). He was gone for 12 months active duty. Does this count? He was also activated for 17 month order to Afghanistan (training at Ft. Dix several months and then 11 months in Afghanistan)(2006–2008). Does this all count toward the Post 9/​11 calculations? Then he was on ADSW orders for 12 months at his unit while soldiers were in Kosovo (2008–2009). Will this count? He was in the army in 1973–1977 and I think he may have used 12 months of his really old GI benefits back in 1980. (We have been told that was an older version and he did not renew for the newer version). He joined the Mo National Guard in 2001 and his latest term will go until Aug 2013. We tried to put it in calculator and it said we would not receive any housing allowance for your home zip code? Why? If you are going to school usually you can’t work as much and still have to pay rent/​house payment. Please help!

Transferring to Dependents…
Please correct me or explain what I just read.…as a spouse using the education benefit I WILL NOT be eligible for any housing allowance. However, if the education benefit is transferred to my son who is away from college; he will receive tuition, books & housing? Please clarify. It says the dependent can get the housing allowance even if the soldier is on active duty. What about a national guard reservist? He is not active duty but still in the military.…what do you consider him? My husband was in Afghanistan and missed his daughter graduatea from high scholl and our first college bound son graduate from college…Sometimes it feels like people don’t realize what the National Guardsmen give up by being deployed.…Just a little frustrated…

My husband served in Afghistan since 2001, etc. He ended active duty/​adsw orders May 31, 2009. He is in the National Guard until 2013. However, the calculator says he will not get housing allowance. Why? Also, why can you not get housing allowance for your home zip code school? Don’t they realize that adults who have homes, etc will try and go to schools that are close by and still need rent/​home payments in order to live?

My husband served in National Guard in support of 9/​11 however, he was activated to fill in in the US.…Oregon (2004–2005). He was gone for 12 months active duty. Does this count? He was also activated for 17 month order to Afghanistan (training at Ft. Dix several months and then 11 months in Afghanistan)(2006–2008). Does this all count toward the Post 9/​11 calculations? Then he was on ADSW orders for 12 months at his unit while soldiers were in Kosovo (2008–2009). Will this count? He was in the army in 1973–1977 and I think he may have used 12 months of his really old GI benefits back in 1980. (We have been told that was an older version and he did not renew for the newer version). He joined the Mo National Guard in 2001 and his latest term will go until Aug 2013. We tried to put it in calculator and it said we would not receive any housing allowance for your home zip code? Why? If you are going to school usually you can’t work as much and still have to pay rent/​house payment. Please help!

Transferring to children..Do dependents (children of college age) receive housing allowance when soldier is a national guard member who is now on drill status? My husband served at least 18 months that should count and possibly 24 other months.…so trying to figure it all out.…College starts Aug 16 for my college students…

My husband retired in 2005. IS he eligible for this new post 9/​11 GI bill and if he is can he transfer his to our children?

I have not read anything that talks about those individuals that had tuition assistant. Where do they fall in this bill. they had little choice in what was being offered during that time of enlistment.

My husband just retired after serving 24 years in the U.S. Navy. Now he’s in the reserves. Can he transfer his G. I. Bill to his son who just graduated high school June of 2009?

As I was saying my husband retired November 1st, 2008. He’s in the reserves too, so shouldn’t he be able to transfer his G.I. Bill to his son, so he can go to college?

What about us veterans that may have used a portion of the GI Bill after the Viet Nam area and lost our jobs and need and want to be trained in another area but cannot afford the expense of school. Why isn’t the government stepping in to help us. We sacrificed too!

My ETS was in 1988 but I was and am still married to an active duty soldier. I too have been told that my GI Bill is no longer active because my benefits termed after 10 years. During this time we were stationed overseas and I was a mother of 3 young children. I was not able to use my benefits. I asked for a waiver which was denied. I think since we paid into the system we should be able to use the benefits at anytime. Also so many of the provisions are for children which is great but they seem to leave out the spouse who has sacrificed most of a life time raising the children, moving, starting new jobs, and supporting our soldiers.

I am in the National Guard and have been in for 23 years, I was deployed April 06– July 07 in Iraq was wondering if I could still transfer my GI Bill to my Daughter She starts to school in August around the 18th I remembered that I still had some GI money that I didn’t use can I get that too?

If we had college loan repayment, do we get the new gi bill?

I retired from the air force in 1996, did not use gi bill, I have a child that will be starting college soon, is there any chance that I qualify to transfer any benefits towards her tuition?

I am retired Navy having served in WWII and Korea. Am I eligible for educational benefits?

I served in the Navy from 1992–1996 I never used my GI Bill. I am currently enrolled in college and cant use the money I paid into the program. I know all about the alloted time window of ten years, but it seems wrong to offer this new program just because somsone served post 911. Is my service not as valuable?

Answer for Don Walden, when did we Vietnam Vets get any breaks? Except for a broken heart from a heartless nation.

I am a senior in college who will graduate in December 2009. My husband just retired (Navy) from active duty last year, December 2008. I have been paying for college on my own, which is very expensive. How can I apply? Also I intend to go to graduate school, will the education bill also pay for that?
Thank you…any assistance is appreciated.

most of these questions can be answered by searching for and reading the actual piece of legislation concerning the post 911 GI bill. there is also a PDF version you can find on the VA website that explains pretty much everything. basically if you don’t qualify (other than nam/​wwII/​korea vets) you probably never squeezed a trigger, so don’t complain. they should expand the bill to include all COMBAT vets (include nam /​ wwII /​ korea).
in addition; it’s unbecoming for people associated with our military to sound so helpless. LOOK for answers instead of hoping someone else will figure it out for you.

My father is currently 0serving in iraq. this his 2nd tour. I will be attend colle in the fall of 2010 will I quality for his benefits.

First Off: (justin) You are incredibly rude to our veterans. If we have questions, we have every right to ask them. It’s not being “helpless” it’s ASKING QUESTIONS! We have freedom of speech, something the military has fought for for many years… therefore, you can say what you please, but there are laws on tactfulness.
Secondly: (Andy) If the VA is required to say they don’t know, then why does the GI Bill calculator on this site say I will be receiving 0-​​ZERO benefits when I qualify under every standard?

If I was discharged in August 1962, do I still have G.I. Benefit for education or home purchase????

Can I use the Post911 Funds if I have already used up my initial G.I.Bill going to school (I am a Senior and need only a year to finish…)

Andy,
I have attempted to contact people on the VA Education Website, as well as the Certifying Official at my college and I keep getting the “go read the information posted on the site” line. To me, this is along the lines of “um…we don’t understand it ourselves and don’t wand to be held accountable for a screw up.“
I am a senior and a 90% disabled veteran. I qualify for Voc Rehab, but I know that there is also that option for members that exhausted their MGIB to have one additional year. I’ve asked everyone what is my best option, the Voc Rehab or the 9/​11 GI Bill and never get a clear answer.
I EASed the first time in December 2001, and then got recalled for the war in March 2003 and served another year. When they reactivated us, we all were getting paid with no broken time, as if we never EASed the first time. Does that unbroken paid time affect the 9/​11 GI Bill? Meaning, instead of 1 year 4 months, is it 2 years 4 months.
Just looking for guidance as to which red tape disaster to pursue, Voc Rehab or 9/​11.
Thanks for being helpful on here where so many other officials don’t have a clue.

making degrees w/​ military courses, I have brought this subject up to the educational advisor in Bethel,Alaska (KuC-​​UAF), & the educational advisor mentioned to the effect that it was out of her league to start ‚& finis what I thought could get me some kind of degree from the military courses I went thru, & I live in the Rural area w/​ no road system in/​out of the location I am in, & the hqs for KuC-​​UAF is in Fairbanks, Alaska, is it possible to link these smaller college setting’s w/​ an permanent liason, so we don’t bump into anymore loophole’s like f/​ example the educational advisor, who thinks she doesn’t have the authority to help veteran’s who are in need of help? & which is a lot more excessible thru the internet.

if a reservist served in Iraq, is it true that after 3 months they’re then eligible for the full 100% of the benefits?

The calculator is a POS. Zero my eye. Fix it.

Be sure to check with your state for veteran’s benefits. IL, MA, and TX I believe will pay for in state tuition up to 120 credit hours.

Justin,
It is embarrassing to see that a veteran would discriminate against other veterans. Our veterans have made very powerful commitment to serve and that is all that is needed to receive the assistance that they so greatly deserve. Military veterans, regardless of branch, era, or experience made the same commitment to serve. It was at that point that Uncle Sam made the determination if they “pull a trigger”.
If you are a veteran than you very well know the challenges that veterans face when trying to find answers. The system is flawed, and the very article that these comments are linked to states that some sources “have been more accurate than others”. This is why they ask these questions. If you weren’t so “helpless” as to read this very article, you would have seen that and kept your hypocritical comments to yourself.
In the meantime, I will continue to be a team player, unlike yourself, and continue to pass on the knowledge that I have to those that need it.
Oh, almost forgot, it’s called the “Post 9/​11 GI Bill”. This is who it’s for. Just like WWII, Vietnam, and Korean veterans have all had benefits catered to them in their time, this one is for us. A person as knowledgeable as yourself should have caught that.

Hey I have this blog about helping Soldier’s earn their degree. Check it out.

Jason,
YES! If you have only used 36 months of the GI Bill and you meet the other qualifications of the Post 9/​11 GI Bill, you still have 12 months left.

Wow Justin! The only folks involved in fighting a war is one with a weapon in hand? I didn’t have to serve in Iraq or in a hostile environment, but I have been helping the folks with the “gun in hand” more than you can imagine, but keep thinking it is all about YOU! Amazing! You clearly need all the benefits you can get so as to get a little more education under your belt! Thank-​​you for serving!
US Navy Veteran

I am attending a private university, and will enroll in graduate courses full time. I will be enrolled in graduate courses leading to a doctorate degree, am I still eligible for the post-​​911 GI Bill.

Just a thought…those Vets (all) who are more than 10 percent disabled can be eligible for Vocational Rehab.(through the V.A.) which pays for education/​books.

The calculator says zero for housing & zero for books/​supplies no matter what dates I plug in. That’s just not right.
Rich — the results are based on your “Active Duty” status in teh Military​.com profile. We are working on a solution that enable you to change that for calculating the benefit.

I’m a journalist at the public radio show Marketplace, produced by American Public Media. We’re looking for vets and their families who are planning on applying for benefits through the new GI bill. We’d love to hear from readers of this blog. Here’s a link to a survey form with our questions: http://​bit​.ly/​u​8​DPw. You can also find our questions on Twitter, @publicinsight.
Many thanks!
–Joellen Easton

Rich — the results are based on your “Active Duty” status in teh Military​.com profile. We are working on a solution that enable you to change that for calculating the benefit.

My husband is 90% disabled 100% unemployable.I have a child that will be a senior this year.Transfering to her.He served feb.2001-oct.20055 iraq war combat also medically discharged.Can it be transfered to our daughter?

I have been out of the military since 1991. I never used my G.I. Bill. Is their a way I can resume my benefits ?

Concur with Shawn, below… is anyone looking out for those of us who served after 9/​11/​01 but retired before 1 Aug 09? I would love to be able to transfer my benefits to my dependents. If all those who served post-​​9/​11 don’t have equal benefits, they might as well change the name of the bill to “Post-​​9/​1/​09″.

I am a veteran and started going back to college in 2007, when I called about using my Montgomery GI Bill I was told that you only had 6 months to use this from the time u exited but I also didn’t receive my money I paid in for the bill either. Does anyone know who I can contact for information? Please e-​​mail me at johnsonpi2​5​@​natlcollege.​edu. Veterans Affairs has been no help.

I am active duty in a AGR Title 32 status. We were briefed in June by representatives from ARPC, Randolph AFB that there are two types of Title 32 one is state and one is federal. If you look on a member’s Title 32 orders there is a letter in parentheses mine is (f) and I was told that I am Federal Title 32 which DOES qualify for the Post GI BILL. My VA rep at my school isn’t getting this information from the VA. I have all the information and POC’s from the Air Force Personnel Center on the documentation of the Title 32 eligibility. When is the VA going to advertise this mistake and make this a little more clearer then mud?

I retired for the AF in 2005 after 21 yrs, 11 as AGR and my app for the GI bill was denied. When I called they said “reason AGR do not fall in the eligibility criteria” Anyone have this problem???

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