Now’s the Time to Improve the Post 9/​11 GI Bill

By Terry Howell

Many of my recent articles have been about the Post 9/​11 GI Bill. I have covered both the pros and cons of this new education benefit. The more significant issues with the new GI Bill are that online students are excluded from receiving the “living stipend” and the tuition payment rate is set too low to cover the full cost of online education.

I have also noted in my blog that we can expect congress to tweak the law after the first of the year. It is assumed that the changes will include an amendment to include “distance learning” (online education) programs in the eligibility for the “living stipend” and/​or create a higher tuition payment rate for the more expensive private schools and online programs.

Word is that they are considering opening the stipend to online students, but there is no talk of increasing the tuition rate to cover the more expensive online course work. Unfortunately those involved in the current discussions don’t see the value of online education.

Based on my discussions with key individuals, it seems many of our elected officials and representatives on the Veterans Advisory Committee on Education want to apply a 1944 academic approach in today’s education environment. Apparently they assume that today’s service members all want (or are able) to go back to school and enjoy the lecture hall experience.

They couldn’t be more wrong, in fact, a recent Associated Press article, Soldiers, Vets Turning to Online Education, addresses the popularity of online education among military students (active duty, reserve, and veterans). The article explains how online education gives service members and veterans — especially those dealing with PTSD, or physical disabilities — a way to earn their degree in a more comfortable, self-​​paced, less public environment.

Another point that seems to escape the decision makers is that nearly all current service members are being brought into the world of education through “non-​​traditional” education. The Defense Activity for Non-​​Traditional Education Support (DANTES) makes it possible for military students to use a mix of online, Credit-​​by-​​Exam (CLEP/​DSST Exams) and ACE credits (college credit for military experience and training) to work toward their degrees. The same AP article quotes the assistant vice president for lifelong learning at the American Council on Education (ACE), Jim Selbe, as saying that “about 50 percent of active duty service members receiving tuition reimbursement from the Department of Defense are taking online courses.”

These programs are a great way for servicemembers to get a head-​​start on their education goals. However, the new Post 9/​11 GI Bill does the exact opposite. It not only penalizes veterans who want to go online, it encourages them to attend “public” universities; many of which will not recognize their ACE credits and/​or CLEP and DSST exams.

Time to Step Up

In my opinion it’s time for those of us who want the Post 9/​11 GI Bill to serve all our veterans to step up and be heard. The responsible committees are already meeting to plan their strategies for fixing the Post 9/​11 GI Bill. Some of their ideas include doing away with the Montgomery GI Bill. This may be the right approach, but if they do not make the Post 9/​11 GI Bill more useful to the non-​​classroom bound veterans, it will be a huge mistake and hurt more veterans than it will serve.

If you want to reach out to your elected officials, I suggest you visit our the Military​.com Legislative Center, locate your officials and send them both an e-​​mail and a hard-​​copy letter asking them to expand the Post 9/​11 GI Bill to better serve veterans who are unable to go back to the classroom.

About the Author: A Retired Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer, Terry completed his BS in Management and Communications using a combination of CLEP exams, credit for military service, and distance learning while on active-​​duty. Terry now serves as Managing Editor for the Education Channel at Military​.com.

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Hi Terry–
Great points, we can’t go back in time to WWII era.
Keep up the good work, the blog is wonderful!
Edith

Please resend me the information on the new GI bill for dependants entering into college next year. I know that they do start in August of 2009. Thank you so much!! SDR (951)852‑4688

please resend me the information on the dependants college tuition for august of 2009. i lost it Thanks. sndra rosenbalm (951)852‑4688

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE STEP TO CARE FOR VETERANS. WE ARE NOT BACK IN WW I OR II SO THESE POLITICIANS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT VETERANS WANT TO SPEND TIME WITH FAMILY AFTER A LONG TOUR OF DUTY. THE BEST WAY TO THAT IS TO SIT AT HOME WITH HIS OR HER FAMILY TO ENJOY THE TIME OF COMING HOME AND NOT BE SEPERATED FROM FAMILY AGAIN. AGAIN THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THOSE VETERANS THAT CAN TALK OR HAVE BEEN HURT IN COMBAT.

I 100% agree. Alot of people who get out of the military, like myself. Have to go to work to make ends meet. Someone please tell me a job that will work around a rigorous class schedule. When they have hunderds in line for your job? I believe that you can work your 9 to 5 job around ten hours a week on the cpu. That’s just my opinion on the matter.
P.S. Keep them coming, we must be heard on this very important subject. In fact online schools have the same accreditidation as michigan, ohio state, notre dame, purdue and the list goes on and on. Think about it!!!!!!!

you need to fix it what about those who served in iraq & are out & can not transfer gi bill to kids unless on active duty my eos was up in 2006 i served but not able to pass it on to my kids who are starting college

.It’s amazing to me how our elected officials have no problems bailing out their Wall Street buddies, but will turn their backs on those that have served their country and put their life on the line for this country. After serving 21 years in the Army and deploying to a number of dangerous places, you would think that a veteran would have the opportunity to go back to school if that’s his or her desire. Every veteran is not going back to school, so why is it so hard for those that want to go to get the necessary monies they need to attend college. It is sad

My husband paid for his gi bill,then got medically discharged.labeled total 100% but not permanent for 3 years now​.so now I am being told our daughter can not use it or he can not transfer it.They never told him to transfer it while in the army,I do not even think that was an option or he never thought he could never work again when he got discharged.there has to be something my child is eligable for,he is a disabled veteran​.It is like if you are not t&P your family is screwed out f medical,college,WOW

I have on many occassions contacted my congress here in Pennsylvania’s 11th district. Congressman Kanjorski’s staff in Washington DC and here in Wilkes Barre haver both made it clear to me that the current regulations that restrict vetereans from using the GI Bill benefits are just fine and don’t need to be changed. Tom Nichols in DC @ 1–202-225‑6511 as the veterans rep for the congressman will tell you that there is also nothing wrong with the 10 yr rule or the fact that you don’t find out about the Gi Bill’s limitations until after you have signed up and paid for your benefits. Congressman Kanjorski’s office can be reached at 570–825-2200. If you live in his district you can tell him how you feel. If not, you will need to find out who your congress rep is and address your concerns with that person. My congress is corrupt. How about your?
best of luck to you,
2poor4justice

Terry is right, as always. What most legislators fail to acknowledge is that the vast majority of WWII GIs used the GI Bill for nontraditional education. Of the 7 million who used the educational benefits, only 2.2 million used it for public and private colleges — 4 year schools and grad schools. 5.8 million used it for career schools, on the job training, and for other such nontraditional ways of learning to earn a living.
When I hear justification for this bill is to provide a WWII like bill for our modern veterans, I am reminded they were provided a lot more benefits and freedoms in their choices for education. This lack of support for online education smacks of elitism and of being out of touch with choices individuals make to fit their needs and desires for higher education.

I’m trying to figure out if this new GI Bill will cover a Truck Driving School. Has anybody ever used their present GI Bill for this type of training. (Thinking about being an owner-​​operator.) Your replys are appreciated.

Now if only the Post-​​9/​11 GI Bill would include those veterans that met the criteria for passing educational benefits to spouse/​children to those of us that fulfilled our three years after 9/​11 and since retired/​separated. We paid our dues as well. Just because we weren’t willing to wait for Congress to do the right thing, is no reason to penalize us.

Mickey — The current Montgomery GI Bill will pay a portion of the cost for Truck Driving Schools (if their program meets the VA standards).
However — the payment rate is set up to pay only by the amount of time the program takes. So if the course only takes a month then you will only get $1321. If you can get hired by a company that has an apprenticeship program you can dip into the GI Bill (OJT/​Apprenticeship) http://​education​.military​.com/​m​o​n​e​y​-​f​o​r​-​s​c​h​o​o​l​/​v​e​t​e​r​a​n​/​g​i​-​b​i​l​l​/​g​i​-​b​i​l​l​-​a​p​p​r​e​n​t​i​c​e​s​h​i​p​-​a​n​d​-​o​j​t​-​p​r​o​g​ram you may be able to draw up to $995 a month in addition to your pay.
Worth checking into.

If the GI bill worked like it should … more vets would opt to go to a school rather then online… if vets have to work full time they cannot make it in a regular college. My husband topped up the GI bill, did everything he could and after serving for 6 years we struggle every month to keep our family fed. Vets with kids can pretty much not survive. We have no health insurance, student loans have been offered in the amount of 1,200 a year (which is ridiculous– they tell us the GI bill puts us in the category that we make too much to get financial aid… a family of four.. yes crazy), the new GI bill will put our monthly living stipend at $800 a month, even supplemented with a part time job, we will not survive.. we will be opting out of the new bill(assuming we can). This new GI bill is still neglecting the vets with families. Anybody else actually attempting to do this?? We feel like we are crazy …and wonder how long we will actually survive…
and hello start up costs??? costs like over 4,000 to get in to a school pay for pricey computers required by the school program and initial fees and tuition due before the first GI Bill payment… so many things being ignored.

7.8% of the military are single parents. Just think of the impact on single parents who want to use this benifit.

I think a change they need to make is the ability to transfer benefits to family members without having to serve 6 years and ign for 4 more. that is BS.

The author indicated that the committee’s are considering doing away with the Montgomery G.I. Bill. Is that for new recruits or for those of us who already have it and are currently using it. It currently adds an additional $400 a month to my education benefits and would be a severe hindrance if they decide to suddenly take it away. I don’t think any of the colleges will reduce their tuition if this is subtracted from our benefits. Does anyone know about this?

I think demanding service time for the luxury of transferring benefits to family members is fair. There is already scholarships (to include ROTC) and a multitude of other options available for spouses and dependent children to use to obtain an education. Not to mention the benefits offered to NG and Reservist’s that were in-​​place long before this new 911 GI Bill came into being. Further, most spouses that proclaim to have time to take advantage of their Servicemembers (husband or wife) benefits probably have the time to enlist themselves and obtain their own benefits whether it be Active, NG, or Reserves. It is this same kind of bickering that caused the Government to allow spouses to (wrongfully) take a percentage of the Servicemembers retirement when they divorce (in some cases). Now, many states won’t even allow those spouses to decline their authorized percentage and allow their Ex-​​Spouse Servicemember to retain what they earned. Be careful what you wish for…as soon as they allow unfettered transfer of benefits you can believe that the courts will act-​​in-​​kind require Servicemember’s to relinquish a portion (probably half) of their earned Education Benefits to the Ex-​​Spouse regardless of the circumstances surrounding the divorce. This is another Pandora’s Box that’s best left closed!!!

Our Congressmen and senators just do not get it. The colleges have been gearing up for the last ten years for online courses (Distant Learning). They anticipate this to increase due to the active life style of today’s population. If you would contact a major university or college, you would find out that 1/​3 to 1/​2 of the student population are participating in Distant Learning. This includes both on campus and off campus students. Also, with our society going more and more enterent and wireless, potential students need this option and for this to be funded.

Being, not only a the wife of a service member but also being a veteran myself, I am glad that they have finally decided to actually help us get a higher eduction. With that said, what about veterans like me who enlisted before 9/​11 and served several years after but didn’t wait to go back to school? I am currently working on my BA and my GI Bill benefits are all used up already. When I finish my degree (that is if I can afford to)I will still owe close to $50,000 in student loans.
Like I said, it is great they are doing something now, but what about the rest of us?

I think the new GI Bill is a terrible idea because the only way I can further my education is doing an online class. If it was not for the GI/​ TA, then I might not be able to make it as well. I feel bad because I can only afford to get my children one gift this year because I am so broke. I recieve the extra 1300 a month for school, but I have to use it for books and bills. If I didn’t do this I would not be able to keep a roof over there head. I think the the new GI Bill has completly looked people like this over. I cann’t afford to lose my jobs to go to school. Day care will only keep your children so long. I can’t afford to pay for another day provider in the evenings so that I can go to school. Many night I have to log on and complete school around one or two o’clock in the morning because that is my free time. So, please tell me a school that has classes around that time. If the new GI bill happense I might have to come back in because I just can’t afford to take that risk because of my children. Not to mention I am a single parent and I am the only thing that my children have right now. If they do this then I guess I will have to re-​​enlist. I think they did not think this through for everyone involved. I really need that 1300 a month just to survive.

I am currently in school — I take classes on campus — and my school is transitioning all of the classes for my degree (BS Information Systems Technology) to online only. Lectures are via streaming video, and many of the labs are even online now.
So, what are the odds that I won’t be eligible for the housing stipend? If I am taking at least one class that is a live on-​​campus lecture, does that take care of the “distance learning” stipulation?

Gostaria de saber em que ano foi gravado pela primeira vez Nows The time de Charlie Parker

What I also find funny about Ed benifits is that if you take, and graduate from a accredited school. That you can not get the total benifit payed ot to cover the cost of the school.
Example if your school takes you 18 months and the VA pays out 1000 per month that is 18000$, but your school cost might be 25000$ or more.
Why not give you the 1000 per month until graduation then. The vet could show proof of billing and graduation. A check could be cut for the final billing.

Excellent post! I think that GI should pay the whole cost of education without taking into consideration if it is online or not. I’m at student at Nation University in California, and every time the university hears that GI Bill will increase $30; the university raise the tuition $200. It happens every year. There is no way to keep up with the cost. I already owe $19,500 to the bank and still unemployed since I got out of the Marine Corps 16 months ago. I just wish that California provides more support to its veterans, the same way Texas is providing. California is too expensive for any veteran.

I really do hope they can learn that online classes are as or more difficult,than in a classroom learning environment. After my discarge, I did a full semester in class, and then another online, full time, to finish my degree. The online class was the first class I ever dropped. They should not be treated any different. I am shocked to learn that they may. If anyone needs a bailout it is us. Most of us spent a long time in the in the Armed Forces, and as mentioned in the article, suffer from PTSD. We deserve to get our education. That was part of the deal. During this economy crisis, we need to be paid enough to survive and while earning degrees. I hope and pray this all works out to the advantage of the Veterans.

Hi Terry,
I think it’s time for everyone to join us in the 21st Century and realize that not everyone can go to a traditional university becaue we have jobs and a family to support, so the online education environment is the only one that will fit into our lives and keep us supporting our families while we work on getting our degrees. I am a veteran and I think the government should include those that use the online approach to getting there degree. Why does everone think that it isn’t the same as going to a traditional school. To me it’s like getting the university professors to come to your house and teach you. It’s just more convenient and the qulaity of learning to me is even better. You don’t have the distractions of having other students talking and disrupting the class and you don’t have to put up with the pressure of competing with other students who think they are superior to you. You learn at your own pace and don’t have the added pressure from other students. I have done both in school and online and I just prefer the online environment better. So Terry keep up the good work and let’s hope our trusted, elected officials do the right thing and include those who prefer the online learining environment in the new revisions of the G.I.Bill.
Dean Irby

Military members received almost a 7% BAH increase when housing and rent prices have plummeted. We receive a 3–4% guaranteed raise every year even if we don’t promote. We retire in 20 years under an outdated plan that was designed for only the select few that survived massive draw downs at the end of a war and did not die during the war. The military is much more safe today than in past wars. These days I can retire as a Major or MSgt by surviving without performing. There is no such thing as retirement in the civilian world. It’s called an IRA and you pay into it. Yet we grovel about getting our $1200 back because the newbies don’t have to pay and we grovel because we can’t get our entire housing paid for by taking online class part-​​time. Talk about a market incentive for the proliferation of questionable online degrees. The author said legislators don’t understand our educational needs in a post WWII society. Maybe they understand them all too well.

Not to mention that there are those of us who are already engaged in a online university and do not wish to head into the halls of a school.

They also need to allow retirees the benefit of transferring remaining GI Bill benefits to dependent spouses and children. They decided to make this privilege a “retention tool”, giving it to only active duty military members who agree to serve ten years. As a 26-​​yr retiree with a college age son I think I should also be given that privilege. I started a write-​​in campaign to the House and Senate Veterans Affairs subcommittees. Please contact them via email or fax and tell them to allow military retirees the privilege of transferring remaining GI Bill benefits to their dependents, also!!!!!!!

All these comments just go to show the entitlement mentality and “wussification” of Americans.
I am entitled to Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and that is it. Any thing extra that ANYONE gives you is a gift people.
On a side note, i have always wondered why instead of asking for more money why don’t we fight for lowering tuition costs? College is insanely over priced at the moment, my military experience, and moral values are what have gotten me all the jobs i have had on the civilian side.
I know it is different for everyone, but what do you think other Americans think when the tought heros of there military are out whining about not getting enough money for doing something they volunteered for.

I think the congress needs to clarify more succinctly the GOAL of the GI Bill. Is it a benefit and vehicle to assist soldiers in their transition to civilian workforce, or a vehicle to permit soldiers to increase their education while still serving? Both would be the obvious answer, but where does that leave the DoD tuition assistance program for active duty/​guard-​​reserve soldiers?
Now, different subject..Seem that the housing stipend would not be applicable to someone still in the military..while still receiving BAH/​COLA etc??

The stipend should not be excluded when people are pursuing “online” programs. The programs are accredited and are equivalent to traditional campus base coursework. Just because a person does not attend class in a classroom setting does not mean the person doesn’t have the same living expenses as someone who does. “online” students still devote time to reading and listening to lecture material and have the same if not more of a course-​​load than traditional students.
To with-​​hold the living expenses stipend for student pursuing accredited degree programs with online lecture and study material delivery from bona fide universities is to suggest they are somehow inferior or lest costly — which is not true and the message then is to imply they are not “as legitimate” — now, are these decision makers intending to broadcast a message like this? (it is a wrong message and not suggestive of a complete awareness of the accepted standards of today’s educational realm).

I have read many of comments on here and found them to be true and quite coherent. The problem I have is that getting a degree means a few things. Once the degree is done you hope to ascertain a job indicative of the degree which you have to deal with people so taking PTSD students and putting them in public places stinks but what do you think any job will do? Second, the reason cleps and Dantes scores don’t transfer to other public colleges so well is money for the colleges. Our government would spend its money better by demanding publicly supported colleges to accept those credits rather than pay service members more. All you guys who are complaining about the trials of going to school and working another job. That is the school experience, and there are literally thousands of benefits,jobs and scholarships set up for us x-​​military. I am not trying to be mean but life requires you work not expect everything to be easy… Getting a degree is supposed to be challenging unless everyone would have one and they would be worthless.

I am currently getting my education through an online program. I believe the living stipend should be given to online students. I currently work full time, because I cannot afford to work part time. I work nine to eleven hours per day, then go home and spend three to four hours working on school.
If the living stipend is given to online students, it will help alleviate financial obligations by allowing students to work fewer hours. This will result in a better quality of life for online students.
I looked into going to school, but the local schools do not have classes during times when I am free to pursue my education. The lawmakers need to realize that many students have families, and online education may be the only viable method for some people to earn a degree.

The legislatures need to update their understanding of current higher education norms and processes. On-​​line courses are every bit as challenging as lecture courses, sometimes more so, and many institutions are moving large amounts of curriculum to the net. They are doing this for many reasons, cutting standards is not one of them. Regional accreditation bodies monitor collegial standards across the curriculum and ensure that standards are met for traditional and non-​​traditional courses. Higher education institutions closely guard their accreditation due to the numerous funding streams and other benefits that it brings.
I’m currently enrolled in a PhD program at a state university, having completed BA and masters through tuition assistance. The curriculum is a hybrid program that offers in person sessions at the beginning and end of each semester and synchronous and asynchronous on-​​line sessions throughout the semester. I can assure anyone interested that the course work has been a significant challenge and well organized. The professors, all PhD’s themselves, have adapted the curriculum to the hybrid approach and it requires continuous engagement in the course work with no time for slipping behind. The work effort has been greater than anything that I experienced during traditional courses.
Keep up the information flow, it is important for our elected representatives to update their understanding of the contemporary education system and ensure that our vets are well represented across the board.

Be thankful for you have. There are some Veterans who got no GI Bill or any educational benefits.

I think there are a lot of good points. I am an online student and it works out perfect for me, in that I am able to work a normal job and attend online school. I am currently attending Fort Hays State University out of Kansas. They are very fair and geared toward the military. I think they are moving in the right direction by allowing veterans to use part of their tuition for their dependants, but as one writer put it, Rules need to be in place to protect the veteran. Granted there are ex-​​spouses out there who live to take advantage of the veterans. There is no changing that, but the overall good it is intended for. Contact your state representatives and keep screaming, eventually you will be heard. After all the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

Another problem:
The new bill (like the old one) assumes that everyone will persue a 4-​​year Bachelor’s degree, and allocates funds on that basis.
For those of us who HAVE our Bachelor’s already and want to go into post-​​baccalaureate study (Master’s, law school, etc), being paid the benefit based on the lower annual rate for undergrad work means we only get 1/​2 the benefit (eg enrolled in a 2 year graduate program, at twice the tuition per year — same amount of money, just faster)…
The bill should be changed to account for the TYPE of degree being sought…

Higher education should be encouraged in any way, shape or form. This is why the GI Bill should be amended to include the stipend for distance learning.
I spent 2 years in a college, before joining the military. As an active duty member it would be impossible for me to take the classes necessary to complete my degree. This it due to multiple deployments and an evolving work schedule.
Through online classes I have been able to complete my associates, and I am currently pursuing my Bachelors degree.
Distance learning is more difficult than traditional classroom studies. Distance learning forces you to play a more active role in the classroom. Distance learning also makes you to read all of the material, unlike in a classroom environment. Additionally distance learning fosters a greater understanding of the subject matter.

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